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15-01-07, 05:06 AM | #1 | |
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leave them alone. if they do something; then wipe em off the earth. what is the deal with all the "pre-emptive" fear anyway? oh yeah, i forgot, that is what your cult leaders tell you to think... base your actions on things that MAY happen and you get to decide what MAY happen. thank God your kind is now out of power in DC. |
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15-01-07, 09:38 AM | #2 | |
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Anyway, the neocons are not my kind. I'm more of a libertarian if you remember. |
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15-01-07, 10:56 AM | #3 |
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oh come now Mazer.. you have supported everything the neocons have done so far
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Appeasement and abandonment will not work, it never has and it never will. That is what the world did with Germany and Hitler in the 30’s. Winston Churchill was the only leader brave enough to stand up against Hitler before WWII began, but he was alone and the world let WWII happen. In December there was a election in Iran and the moderate conservative’s won big, which means the moderates are tired of their President provoking the West while ignoring the horrible conditions inside his own country. That's a huge slap in the face to him personally, but it proves that the people of Iran aren't buying into their leader's apocalyptic agenda. So really it is the radicals in the country who are pushing for a confrontation with the West, not the average citizens. The best thing that can happen is the Iranian people change their own destiny, which I personally think most want. The worst thing the USA and the world could do is give up on Iraq. The USA must let the Iraqi and Iranian people know they are behind them no matter the cost, to bring democracy to their countries. You cannot say, we will help you but if the tuff gets going you are on your own. If the Iranian people see that seed of democracy planted right next door why wouldn’t they rise up and fight for those same freedoms! It takes sacrifice, it took a civil war in the USA to give Blacks the same freedoms all others had. Big Change is not easy, it is often deadly, who knows how America would be if Lincoln quit his efforts when the tuff got going. I know some will say Iraq is not Americas fight, and I say you made it your fight and America will have to stick with it. If the USA leaves Iraq, Iran will become a bigger problem and War will happen, there is no doubt in my mind, as some one said, Israel will not allow Iran to become a bigger threat to them, and an attack by Israel is attack from the USA in the minds of the radicals in the Middle East. Quote:
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15-01-07, 11:39 AM | #5 | ||
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so the US should never leave Iraq?
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because of him and Rothschild that there is such a problem there in the first place Quote:
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And I am not forcing Democracy on anybody.
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15-01-07, 01:35 PM | #7 | |
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I didn't mean to infer that you were personaly..
but the west and it previous incarnation has been enforcing democracy on a large portion of the human race for the last few hundered years usually leaving some civil war in it's wake Quote:
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15-01-07, 02:39 PM | #8 |
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it's not the 1930s and Iran is not even close in comparison to Germany.
that argument not only doesn't fly, it sinks too. Iran has done nothing to me or the USA and I do not believe they have plans to attack me or my country. If they do attack us then we WILL make their country uninhabatible for a few thousand years. I know this, you know it, and most important, Iran knows it. Cheney & Bush are frothing at the mouth wanting to invade Iran for Israel but there is a big fly in the wrench and monkey in the ointment. After their Iraq justifications proved to be ALL LIES, we the american people will not allow another illegal war. period, end of story. they can rattle their sabers all they want but Bush & Cheney are both paper ducks now. the best they can hope for is to stall the withdrawel of troops from the lost war in Iraq until Bush leaves office. |
15-01-07, 03:42 PM | #9 | |
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Who are you talking about? Who didn’t want democracy? The insurgents? The Terrorist? The Dictators? The citizens? I think one of those four did want democracy, guess which one. The rest of your post is non-sense.
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I can still remember a time when almost every American supported the neocons and Bush's approval rating was better than 85%. Quote:
We can't really give democracy to people, all we can do is put them in the position to govern themselves. We hope they will do so wisely, but if they can't then it's because of their own intolerance and prejudice. You can blame the people who offered them the opportunity to be free all you want, but in the end a democratic nation has to collectively determine its own future, and the all the credit and the blame for their actions lies with them. |
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16-01-07, 05:58 AM | #12 | |
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I don't like the way you live so I bust into your house, break all your stuff, and put you in a position to live the way I think you should. And leave a few of my weight lifting buddies living with you to make sure you don't revert to your old erroneous ways. According to your way of thinking, I am with in my rights to do that and expect you to bake cakes for me in thanks. |
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