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14-01-07, 09:48 PM | #1 |
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I dug deep enough to supply the information to make my point.
The article wasn't from the Washington Post, it's from the Washington Times. The Post also had a similar story. A number of other news sources had similar stories on this subject. So, all these news sources just made the story up? I really don't think so. Here's another article, this time a UPI report. Apparently, pressure from the GOP caused a turnaround of events in this matter. http://www.upi.com/NewsTrack/view.ph...3-101749-1793r Ms. Pelosi got caught with her panties down. It's "a way of life" for both sides - unless they get caught, which was my point. Again, so much for "the most ethical Congress". They'll only be ethical when they get caught and we make them be ethical. The GOP can dig up just as much dirt on Democrats as Democrats can dig up on the GOP. At least now ALL Americans will benefit from the new minimum wage law.
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14-01-07, 10:51 PM | #2 |
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Bush hasn't signed it yet.
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15-01-07, 02:12 AM | #3 | |
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15-01-07, 03:00 PM | #4 | |
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15-01-07, 09:53 PM | #5 |
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Pelosi only "rectified" the situation AFTER being pressured by Republicans, as per the article I linked to. Nice try back to you.
I will remember your tactic of dismissing all news stories (that I post) as inaccurate. I will probably point it out to you in the future when you quote information sources. If it works for you, it works for me too, no? I'm glad the law was fixed and the Samoans will also benefit from the minimum wage increase. It's the fair thing to do.
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16-01-07, 12:43 AM | #6 |
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It's fair to the extent that it will apply everywhere, but people support the minimum wage law precisely because it unfairly redistributes wealth to people who haven't earned it.
Like you pointed out, Drak, this issue isn't about fairness, it's about making the new Speaker of the House look bad. Considering that dozens of news outlets have covered this story I'd say that it's having the desired effect. |
16-01-07, 10:17 AM | #7 |
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just keep in mind that american samoa has been decoupled from mainland wage laws throughout the entire history of a republican dominated house and senate and presidency. that this goes all the way back to when the navy ran the place and that any if any "anger" directed at democrats is to be taken seriously it must also be directed at any republicans still serving for allowing this "terrible situation" to continue for so long.
i don't have an opinion on the merits of extending identical wage laws to that little island community of 57,000 people, but i can recognise a snadbag when i see one and as mazer points out i'm not alone in that regard. if naked hypocrisy is the only game the republicans can play they can rightly expect to hemmorrage even more seats in the next election. if this wage situation really is so terrible then some credit must go to democrats for immediately fixing it in thier first week in office (where the republicans let it go for twelve years), even if their reasons were less than selfless. twenty-one senate republican seats will be open in '08, compared with 12 in the democrat's aisle. - js. |
29-01-07, 08:28 AM | #8 | |
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29-01-07, 05:00 PM | #9 |
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That's a fine opinion to have, and I understand where you're coming from, Vern. It's just my opinion that in a western democratic/capitalist society the market determines what's fair. I can tell you, working for a small company with a handful of employees, that my boss isn't a fat cat getting rich by paying some of his employees seven dollars an hour. Around here we earn what we're worth, it's only fair.
Face it, some people just aren't worth as much as everyone else. The minimum wage isn't about making things fair, it's about keeping people from falling so far below the poverty line that they'll never recover. It's the so called safety net you hear about sometimes. People earning minimum wage should be motivated to work harder and earn more to better support themselves and their families. But if you raise the minimum wage too much you take away that motivation. The true measure of any welfare system is the number of people it helps raise above the poverty line. Raising the minimum wage also raises the poverty line, if you think about it, and raising it too much actually puts more people below the line than above it. In the case of this congress, the Democrats are trying to buy the votes of the poor with someone else's money. In this case, raising the minimum wage is also unethical as well as unfair. That's how I see it. |
29-01-07, 06:04 PM | #10 | |
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They are just stalling the Iraq war resolution vote which will force them to go on record as either for the war or against it. And while they are stalling, Bush will be deploying the new troops to the big mistake and then they can go back to the old stand-by, "that's old news". Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid said, "If they defeat cloture on minimum wage, they think we're going to bring this right back? Oh, no we're not. We're going to move to another subject they don't like to talk about: escalation of the war in Iraq... they know when minimum wage is finished, we're going to Iraq." Bush and what's left of his rubber stamping congress are still in denial. To them, the November election either did not happen or the results were much different than what they were in reality. The minimum wage will be increased, as it should be, and I do not see America going back to the days of company towns and company stores and paying the workers with script that can only be spent at the company store; you know; back when "the capitalists" ie. those with the money, determined what was "fair". |
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Funny; I've known welfare losers with the same attitude about their government handouts: 'those fuckers should give me more and do more for me'. |
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