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12-01-07, 06:07 AM | #21 |
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Congress just told Condi in plain english: Bush can NOT start a war with Iran without their approval. (Condi has never read the constitution)
Bush, being the pigheaded fool that he is, will anyway. Impeachment will soon follow. Along with much weeping and gnashing of teeth on faux news. PS. It will be a double impeachment with both Bush and Cheney getting tossed from office at the same time and perhaps even into prison. No chance in hell of president Pelosi pardoning them. |
12-01-07, 12:19 PM | #22 |
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In 2000 the Democrats got away with accusing Bush of doing what they were themselves attempting to do. If they try to steal the presidency a second time their legitimacy will be called into question far more often and with far more incredulity than what Bush has faced since he took office. This is why Pelosi will never allow an impeachment resolution come to a vote. They might kick Cheney out on trumped up charges, but not Bush, and especially not both at the same time.
Impeach Bush and you can look forward to an other 12 years of a congress controlled by the Republicans. |
12-01-07, 01:28 PM | #23 | |
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It has absolutely nothing at all to do with party affiliation. It is pretty simply spelled out in the constitution. The power to make war resides solely in the congress. As for the ramifications or consequences, I think the new polls after his big surge speech show that the american public is sick and tired of Bush and his croney admin. so, if anything it would be more detrimental to the democrats to not impeach. |
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i'm not sure certain members of a supreme court installed by the father of the stooge they appointed president (and whose ties to the familly extend even deeper) is the group that can withstand an impeachment challenge if it came to that, but believe me the 2000 baker coup is the last thing preventing the dems from proceeding with the trial.
i'll say this however, unlike clinton if bush does stand before the house the senate verdict will also be guilty - if unlike nixon he's stupid enough to hang in that far. i mean, i know he's stupid enough, but there is this low-class strain of clever opportunism that served him until now. that's probably no longer up to the task, but in any event it's bush inc i'm referring to. - js. |
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14-01-07, 11:05 AM | #27 |
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China to US: No meddling in our Iran biz
BEIJING –China warned the United States on Thursday not to meddle in its trade relations with Iran after Washington expressed concern about a Chinese oil company’s planned investment in an Iranian gas field. “We think this kind of cooperation and relationship is legitimate. Normal cooperation should not be interfered (with),” said Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesman Liu Jianchao. Asked if that meant Beijing believed the United States was interfering in its dealings with Iran, Liu said, “This is our position.” The U.S. government expressed concern to Beijing last month about a planned investment by state-owned Chinese oil company CNOOC Ltd. in Iran’s Northern Pars gas field. Washington said major business dealings with Tehran were inappropriate while Iran is defying U.N. resolutions on its nuclear program. CNOOC spokesman Liu Junshan said Thursday the company was still in talks with the Iranian side to develop the gas field and to help build liquefied natural gas facilities. He said no agreement had yet been signed, and declined to estimate the project’s value. The Iranian Mehr news agency reported last month that the deal was worth $16 billion. Liu’s comments came as Israel’s Prime Minister Ehud Olmert visited Beijing. Olmert is seeking a more proactive Chinese role in pressuring Iran to abandon its nuclear program. Iran’s president has called for Israel to be wiped off the face of the earth, and Iran is widely believed to be trying to manufacture atomic bombs — a charge it denies. In talks with Olmert Wednesday, Chinese Premier Wen Jiabao said Beijing was firmly against nuclear weapons proliferation in Iran and wanted to see a diplomatic solution to the issue, Liu said at a press briefing. But it is unlikely that Beijing will to bend to U.S. pressure to drop the gas deal, considering China’s growing thirst for oil and gas to fuel its economic boom. China imported 980 million barrels of oil last year, making it the world’s third-biggest consumer of foreign oil. Its demand for natural gas is expected to rise 26 percent over the next five years. China’s two major oil companies — China Petrochemical Corp. and China National Petroleum Corp. — are both either involved in gas projects in Iran or in talks to participate in developing gas resources. Iran has seen the lure of its energy resources and other markets as a way to weaken the willl of U.N. Security Council members to exact harsh punishment over its nuclear program, which Tehran claims is for generating electricity. The council, of which China is one of five permanent members, voted last month to impose sanctions on Iran for refusing to abandon uranium enrichment — a process that produces the material for either nuclear reactors or bombs. http://digglicious.blogspot.com/2007...-iran-biz.html |
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We don't have to interfere with China's business to cripple Iran's economy. All we have to do is make it impossible for them to transport their oil out of the Persian Gulf with a naval blockade. Iran will still have its natural gas pipelines, but without the ability to sell oil over seas the whole nation will fall into a depression and no American soldier will ever have to set foot within Iran's borders.
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It's a far better option than invasion. Besides, it's about time the Navy had something to do.
Is there any better way to contain Iran? |
15-01-07, 02:36 AM | #31 |
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The U.S. probably will not need to do much - at least at first. Israel will probably nuke Iran.
I don't like that, but I can't really blame them under the circumstances - Iran has pledged to obliterate Israel. Israel doesn't have much of a choice but to act if they want to survive, and I'm sure they do. It will probably start with conventional bunker busters and low yeild nuclear bunker busters taking out hardened nuclear facilities inside Iran. The nuclear capabilities of Iran will be toast. Might be the start of WW3. It's a very bad situation. The Muslims are going to have to face the facts that terrorism and jihad is not the answer to anything. 14th century Byzantine Emperor Manuel II Palaeologus wote "Everything Mohammad brought was evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached" - therein lies the real problem.
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leave them alone. if they do something; then wipe em off the earth. what is the deal with all the "pre-emptive" fear anyway? oh yeah, i forgot, that is what your cult leaders tell you to think... base your actions on things that MAY happen and you get to decide what MAY happen. thank God your kind is now out of power in DC. |
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oh come now Mazer.. you have supported everything the neocons have done so far
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Appeasement and abandonment will not work, it never has and it never will. That is what the world did with Germany and Hitler in the 30’s. Winston Churchill was the only leader brave enough to stand up against Hitler before WWII began, but he was alone and the world let WWII happen. In December there was a election in Iran and the moderate conservative’s won big, which means the moderates are tired of their President provoking the West while ignoring the horrible conditions inside his own country. That's a huge slap in the face to him personally, but it proves that the people of Iran aren't buying into their leader's apocalyptic agenda. So really it is the radicals in the country who are pushing for a confrontation with the West, not the average citizens. The best thing that can happen is the Iranian people change their own destiny, which I personally think most want. The worst thing the USA and the world could do is give up on Iraq. The USA must let the Iraqi and Iranian people know they are behind them no matter the cost, to bring democracy to their countries. You cannot say, we will help you but if the tuff gets going you are on your own. If the Iranian people see that seed of democracy planted right next door why wouldn’t they rise up and fight for those same freedoms! It takes sacrifice, it took a civil war in the USA to give Blacks the same freedoms all others had. Big Change is not easy, it is often deadly, who knows how America would be if Lincoln quit his efforts when the tuff got going. I know some will say Iraq is not Americas fight, and I say you made it your fight and America will have to stick with it. If the USA leaves Iraq, Iran will become a bigger problem and War will happen, there is no doubt in my mind, as some one said, Israel will not allow Iran to become a bigger threat to them, and an attack by Israel is attack from the USA in the minds of the radicals in the Middle East. Quote:
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so the US should never leave Iraq?
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I didn't mean to infer that you were personaly..
but the west and it previous incarnation has been enforcing democracy on a large portion of the human race for the last few hundered years usually leaving some civil war in it's wake Quote:
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it's not the 1930s and Iran is not even close in comparison to Germany.
that argument not only doesn't fly, it sinks too. Iran has done nothing to me or the USA and I do not believe they have plans to attack me or my country. If they do attack us then we WILL make their country uninhabatible for a few thousand years. I know this, you know it, and most important, Iran knows it. Cheney & Bush are frothing at the mouth wanting to invade Iran for Israel but there is a big fly in the wrench and monkey in the ointment. After their Iraq justifications proved to be ALL LIES, we the american people will not allow another illegal war. period, end of story. they can rattle their sabers all they want but Bush & Cheney are both paper ducks now. the best they can hope for is to stall the withdrawel of troops from the lost war in Iraq until Bush leaves office. |
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