Non File Trading Software - Something Different - P2P-Zone

ProfessorM · 01-09-06, 03:03 AM

The containerized duplication insight is correct (I was thinking I was a bit crazy for attempting the software in the first place). The key difference however is the free nature and freedom granted to the user (vs internet websites are overlords over its users/visitors). The commercial part of Maazios was done so the users get a payback for participating while the "self expression" part was done for users to try out; the multitude of applications helps demonstrate the possibility that whatever's doable on the regular internet can be done for this "extreme P2P internet".

On a side note, I see some game dev msg boards are still looking at doing a massive multiplayer P2P game system - what I will tell them is that sometimes it's better to try to accomplish something easier first before attempting a very difficult problem; I was hoping with Maazios' demonstrations (app variety) and future release of some APIs, it may be possible to do a simpler multiplayer P2P game system first; then in time when broadband becomes faster for everyone, the massive multiplayer P2P game system should then be attempted since by then, game developers have more experience with P2P issues for games.

Back to story - if the regular internet can be replicated in the P2P fashion, then it's only reasonable that it will follow the same evolution (remember how it used to be awkward to buy stuff off of internet websites - pre 1998?). So I foresee the security certificate, payment, etc. companies will also serve this P2P internet eventually. As for the proprietary nature, I have an open invitation for hackers to play and "punish" the Maazios software so that P2P internet holes can be revealed and remedies can be conceived of easier and faster. As for legal liability, Maazios is trying to replicate what's available on the regular internet; so in some ways, what is okay on the regular internet then should also be okay on this P2P internet - or do a separate set of laws be applicable?

Keep placing your concerns and comments - it makes things interesting in this thread.

Malk-a-mite · 01-09-06, 03:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ProfessorM

As for the proprietary nature, I have an open invitation for hackers to play and "punish" the Maazios software so that P2P internet holes can be revealed and remedies can be conceived of easier and faster.

Nice to know, I'm reinstalling a VMWare XP test bed as I type. Once I get my enviroment setup I'll see how the install and testing goes.

ProfessorM · 01-09-06, 10:23 AM

BTW, I use VMWare also; if you are using a cable/dsl router, then for the ethernet of the guest os - you should use Bridged instead of NAT because I found that vmware nat service has a handle leak when frequent connections are made by/for the guest os. For this guest test os, you can even make things simpler for now by turning off the firewall. Don't forget portforward setup.

If you get the setup/configure all correctly, then I'll list you on the maazios website message board as a Maazter of Your Domain.

ProfessorM · 01-09-06, 07:06 PM

Easier to put links to screenshots since a few too many (38 pics total 2.8MB)

The following pics show what you see of your own "stuff"

Your own start page; many items created and things filled in elsewhere.
KG_Main_Start.JPG
A preferences form for you to fill in so start page looks nicer and location info can be used by other apps.
KG_Main_Preferences.JPG
History of app items and domains you've been to.
KG_Main_History.JPG

Connect by IP Address UI - used if you know your friend/family's external IP. Note it shows your external IP address on top.
Successful connect will show other party's domain name and description.
KG_Connect_by_IP.JPG

The Pseudo Email "outlook" like UI.
KG_Memail_inbox.JPG
System reminders show useful tidbits you should be aware of about your computer and application items.
KG_Memail_sys_reminders.JPG

From the Search UI
A simple search for "bracelet"
KG_Search_regular.JPG
Sample of other people's "stuff"; doubleclick to see it (other person's Maazios must be on and connectable).
KG_Whats_New.JPG
What other Maazios users are searching for.
KG_Search_what_others_are_searching.JPG
Your favorites list - domains shown; favorite app items also possible.
KG_My_Favorites_domains.JPG

From the Auction Management UI
One of your created auctions that is active now.
KG_My_Auctions.JPG
Save time by filling in this preferences since will be used by all your own auctions.
KG_Auction_Preferences.JPG
Your auction watch - watching other Maazios users' auctions.
KG_AuctionWatch_My_Auction_Watch_tab.JPG
Your bid/buy requests to other Maazios users' auctions and the request's status (it may fail - ex. network problem).
KG_AuctionWatch_My_Requests_tab.JPG
Your winning bids of other Maazios users' auctions and its related info.
KG_AuctionWatch_My_Winning_Bids_tab.JPG

Your own Feedback History UI
What other Maazios users said about you - only your auctions and storefront for now.
KG_My_Feedback_History.JPG

Your own Chat Rooms UI
KG_My_Chat_Rooms.JPG

Your own Classified Ads UI
KG_My_Classified_Ads.JPG

Your own Message Boards UI
KG_My_Message_Boards.JPG

Your own Publish/Subscribe UI KG_My_Publications.JPG
KG_My_Subscriptions.JPG

Your own Yellow Page Ads UI
KG_My_YellowPage.jpg

Your own Storefront Management UI
Example of one of your item for sale.
KG_Storefront_My_Storefront.JPG
Fill in preferences since used for your storefront and its items.
KG_Storefront_Preferences.JPG
Your orders from other Maazios users' storefront.
KG_Storefront_My_Orders.jpg
Your customers' orders - New ones, Canceled by you, and Shipped by you
KG_Storefront_My_Customers_Orders_new_orders.JPG
KG_Storefront_My_Customers_Orders_cancelled_orders.JPG
KG_Storefront_My_Customers_Orders_shipped.JPG

The following is when you go to some other Maazios user's "site" or application item
You are looking at someone's domain page (notice what's available).
KG_domain_seen_by_JD.JPG
You are looking at someone's auction (useful pic on bottom).
KG_auction_seen_by_JD.JPG
You are in someone's chat room.
KG_chat_with_JD.JPG
A list of someone's application items - chat rooms in this case.
KG_chatroom_list_seen_by_JD.JPG
You are looking at someone's Classified ad.
KG_clasAd_seen_by_JD.JPG
You are looking at someone's Feedback history.
KG_feedback_history_seen_by_JD.JPG
You are in someone's message board.
KG_mb_seen_by_JD.JPG
You are in someone's storefront.
KG_storefront_seen_by_JD.JPG
You checking out an order in someone's storefront.
KG_storefront_shopcart_seen_by_JD.JPG
You are in someone's Auction domain - which list all auctions of this Maazios user.
KG_auction_domain_seen_by_JD.JPG

Now you realize why the firewall/portforward setup correctly is needed - so that other Maazios users can see and do things to your "stuff" and vice versa.

ProfessorM · 02-09-06, 09:19 AM

New users have spoken - I will add and change a couple of things so that you can easily see whether you are connected to others and others are connected to you. Major apologies to those frustrated looking at the software and not sure what's going on. I guess I got carried away with keeping all the UIs minimal.

The current 1.0 does not have these new helpers yet so please wait for 1.1. Thanks.

ProfessorM · 13-09-06, 12:45 PM

Hello Everyone,
I just finished version 1.1 and it's up on the maazios website (later for cnet/tucows). Apologies to everyone who tried 1.0 and was confused about the software. 1.1 installs much faster (< 1 minute) and now shows your Maazios computer's connectivity to other Maazios users - this will help you troubleshoot your firewall/router if necessary as well as allow you to check out another Maazios user's domain page and application items quickly. So please give us 1 more chance to demonstrate what is possible with P2P.
Thanks.

JackSpratts · 16-10-06, 01:16 PM

(FYI)

I’ll Trade You My ‘Titanic’ for Your ‘Spider-Man’
Bob Tedeschi

One of the world’s oldest forms of commerce has finally gotten a foothold in the newest commercial medium.

Online bartering, an idea with many proponents but few successes, is emerging as an e-commerce model, bolstered by a spate of new Web sites run by veterans of the e-commerce industry. And although these sites won’t soon challenge Amazon.com or eBay, they are carving out a significant niche in what could be a highly profitable business.

It sounds unlikely, but it’s true, according to Billy McNair, chief executive of Peerflix, a DVD trading service based in Palo Alto, Calif. The company’s 250,000 members post titles of DVD’s they are willing to trade on the Web site (peerflix.com), which then facilitates the swaps by giving members printable forms that include postage and the recipient’s address.

La La Media, which operates LaLa.com and is also based in Palo Alto, is another recent darling of the Silicon Valley venture capital community, having raised $9 million since the business formed in June 2005. According to Bill Nguyen, one of the company’s founders, the site has built an inventory of two million titles since its debut in March, and every day members add 30,000 copies to the collection.

Run as they are by tiny teams of entrepreneurs, though, these companies embody the kind of asymmetric economic threat that has forced established businesses to at least take notice, if not entirely alter their business plans. Take books, for instance. PaperBackSwap’s members trade 30,000 books weekly for $1.59 apiece, according to Richard Pickering, one of the site’s founders. The company is now exploring ways to help members trade nonmedia items, possibly within distinct geographical areas.

“You’re going to see a lot more from online bartering in the future,” Mr. Pickering said. “This is just in its infancy.”

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01-09-06, 07:06 PM	#4
ProfessorM Registered User Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 8	Maazios Screenshots Easier to put links to screenshots since a few too many (38 pics total 2.8MB) The following pics show what you see of your own "stuff" Your own start page; many items created and things filled in elsewhere. KG_Main_Start.JPG A preferences form for you to fill in so start page looks nicer and location info can be used by other apps. KG_Main_Preferences.JPG History of app items and domains you've been to. KG_Main_History.JPG Connect by IP Address UI - used if you know your friend/family's external IP. Note it shows your external IP address on top. Successful connect will show other party's domain name and description. KG_Connect_by_IP.JPG The Pseudo Email "outlook" like UI. KG_Memail_inbox.JPG System reminders show useful tidbits you should be aware of about your computer and application items. KG_Memail_sys_reminders.JPG From the Search UI A simple search for "bracelet" KG_Search_regular.JPG Sample of other people's "stuff"; doubleclick to see it (other person's Maazios must be on and connectable). KG_Whats_New.JPG What other Maazios users are searching for. KG_Search_what_others_are_searching.JPG Your favorites list - domains shown; favorite app items also possible. KG_My_Favorites_domains.JPG From the Auction Management UI One of your created auctions that is active now. KG_My_Auctions.JPG Save time by filling in this preferences since will be used by all your own auctions. KG_Auction_Preferences.JPG Your auction watch - watching other Maazios users' auctions. KG_AuctionWatch_My_Auction_Watch_tab.JPG Your bid/buy requests to other Maazios users' auctions and the request's status (it may fail - ex. network problem). KG_AuctionWatch_My_Requests_tab.JPG Your winning bids of other Maazios users' auctions and its related info. KG_AuctionWatch_My_Winning_Bids_tab.JPG Your own Feedback History UI What other Maazios users said about you - only your auctions and storefront for now. KG_My_Feedback_History.JPG Your own Chat Rooms UI KG_My_Chat_Rooms.JPG Your own Classified Ads UI KG_My_Classified_Ads.JPG Your own Message Boards UI KG_My_Message_Boards.JPG Your own Publish/Subscribe UI KG_My_Publications.JPG KG_My_Subscriptions.JPG Your own Yellow Page Ads UI KG_My_YellowPage.jpg Your own Storefront Management UI Example of one of your item for sale. KG_Storefront_My_Storefront.JPG Fill in preferences since used for your storefront and its items. KG_Storefront_Preferences.JPG Your orders from other Maazios users' storefront. KG_Storefront_My_Orders.jpg Your customers' orders - New ones, Canceled by you, and Shipped by you KG_Storefront_My_Customers_Orders_new_orders.JPG KG_Storefront_My_Customers_Orders_cancelled_orders.JPG KG_Storefront_My_Customers_Orders_shipped.JPG The following is when you go to some other Maazios user's "site" or application item You are looking at someone's domain page (notice what's available). KG_domain_seen_by_JD.JPG You are looking at someone's auction (useful pic on bottom). KG_auction_seen_by_JD.JPG You are in someone's chat room. KG_chat_with_JD.JPG A list of someone's application items - chat rooms in this case. KG_chatroom_list_seen_by_JD.JPG You are looking at someone's Classified ad. KG_clasAd_seen_by_JD.JPG You are looking at someone's Feedback history. KG_feedback_history_seen_by_JD.JPG You are in someone's message board. KG_mb_seen_by_JD.JPG You are in someone's storefront. KG_storefront_seen_by_JD.JPG You checking out an order in someone's storefront. KG_storefront_shopcart_seen_by_JD.JPG You are in someone's Auction domain - which list all auctions of this Maazios user. KG_auction_domain_seen_by_JD.JPG Now you realize why the firewall/portforward setup correctly is needed - so that other Maazios users can see and do things to your "stuff" and vice versa.

02-09-06, 09:19 AM	#5
ProfessorM Registered User Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 8	New users have spoken - I will add and change a couple of things so that you can easily see whether you are connected to others and others are connected to you. Major apologies to those frustrated looking at the software and not sure what's going on. I guess I got carried away with keeping all the UIs minimal. The current 1.0 does not have these new helpers yet so please wait for 1.1. Thanks. Last edited by ProfessorM : 07-09-06 at 12:23 PM.

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01-09-06, 03:03 AM	#1
ProfessorM Registered User Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 8	The containerized duplication insight is correct (I was thinking I was a bit crazy for attempting the software in the first place). The key difference however is the free nature and freedom granted to the user (vs internet websites are overlords over its users/visitors). The commercial part of Maazios was done so the users get a payback for participating while the "self expression" part was done for users to try out; the multitude of applications helps demonstrate the possibility that whatever's doable on the regular internet can be done for this "extreme P2P internet". On a side note, I see some game dev msg boards are still looking at doing a massive multiplayer P2P game system - what I will tell them is that sometimes it's better to try to accomplish something easier first before attempting a very difficult problem; I was hoping with Maazios' demonstrations (app variety) and future release of some APIs, it may be possible to do a simpler multiplayer P2P game system first; then in time when broadband becomes faster for everyone, the massive multiplayer P2P game system should then be attempted since by then, game developers have more experience with P2P issues for games. Back to story - if the regular internet can be replicated in the P2P fashion, then it's only reasonable that it will follow the same evolution (remember how it used to be awkward to buy stuff off of internet websites - pre 1998?). So I foresee the security certificate, payment, etc. companies will also serve this P2P internet eventually. As for the proprietary nature, I have an open invitation for hackers to play and "punish" the Maazios software so that P2P internet holes can be revealed and remedies can be conceived of easier and faster. As for legal liability, Maazios is trying to replicate what's available on the regular internet; so in some ways, what is okay on the regular internet then should also be okay on this P2P internet - or do a separate set of laws be applicable? Keep placing your concerns and comments - it makes things interesting in this thread.

01-09-06, 10:23 AM	#3
ProfessorM Registered User Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 8	BTW, I use VMWare also; if you are using a cable/dsl router, then for the ethernet of the guest os - you should use Bridged instead of NAT because I found that vmware nat service has a handle leak when frequent connections are made by/for the guest os. For this guest test os, you can even make things simpler for now by turning off the firewall. Don't forget portforward setup. If you get the setup/configure all correctly, then I'll list you on the maazios website message board as a Maazter of Your Domain.

13-09-06, 12:45 PM	#6
ProfessorM Registered User Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 8	Hello Everyone, I just finished version 1.1 and it's up on the maazios website (later for cnet/tucows). Apologies to everyone who tried 1.0 and was confused about the software. 1.1 installs much faster (< 1 minute) and now shows your Maazios computer's connectivity to other Maazios users - this will help you troubleshoot your firewall/router if necessary as well as allow you to check out another Maazios user's domain page and application items quickly. So please give us 1 more chance to demonstrate what is possible with P2P. Thanks.

16-10-06, 01:16 PM	#7
JackSpratts Join Date: May 2001 Location: New England Posts: 10,023	(FYI) I’ll Trade You My ‘Titanic’ for Your ‘Spider-Man’ Bob Tedeschi One of the world’s oldest forms of commerce has finally gotten a foothold in the newest commercial medium. Online bartering, an idea with many proponents but few successes, is emerging as an e-commerce model, bolstered by a spate of new Web sites run by veterans of the e-commerce industry. And although these sites won’t soon challenge Amazon.com or eBay, they are carving out a significant niche in what could be a highly profitable business. It sounds unlikely, but it’s true, according to Billy McNair, chief executive of Peerflix, a DVD trading service based in Palo Alto, Calif. The company’s 250,000 members post titles of DVD’s they are willing to trade on the Web site (peerflix.com), which then facilitates the swaps by giving members printable forms that include postage and the recipient’s address. La La Media, which operates LaLa.com and is also based in Palo Alto, is another recent darling of the Silicon Valley venture capital community, having raised $9 million since the business formed in June 2005. According to Bill Nguyen, one of the company’s founders, the site has built an inventory of two million titles since its debut in March, and every day members add 30,000 copies to the collection. Run as they are by tiny teams of entrepreneurs, though, these companies embody the kind of asymmetric economic threat that has forced established businesses to at least take notice, if not entirely alter their business plans. Take books, for instance. PaperBackSwap’s members trade 30,000 books weekly for $1.59 apiece, according to Richard Pickering, one of the site’s founders. The company is now exploring ways to help members trade nonmedia items, possibly within distinct geographical areas. “You’re going to see a lot more from online bartering in the future,” Mr. Pickering said. “This is just in its infancy.” More