wanted: a plan to stabilize iraq

[Sinner]

Originally Posted by miss_silver

WMD that have never been found? Wait!!!, they will say that those weapons have been hidden in Iran, wouldn't be surprised if Bush would pull this awful lie off.

Keep up with the times - why would the USA need to say that? There are better reasons then that to go to war with Iran.


"The Iranian regime needs to know that if it stays on its present course, the international community is prepared to impose meaningful consequences," Cheney said in a speech to the to the American Israel Public Affairs Committee, an influential pro-Israel lobbying group.

He said the United States joins "other nations in sending that regime a clear message: we will not allow Iran to have a nuclear weapon."

That is the only reason the world needs. No way will Iran be allowed to have nukes. No way in Hell.

[theknife]

Originally Posted by Sinner

That is the only reason the world needs. No way will Iran be allowed to have nukes. No way in Hell.

i love tough guy wingnut rhetoric

first question is: why would you believe the Bush administration on this matter? what part of the last five years where you not paying attention to?

next question is: why is a nuclear Iran so unthinkable? why will the policy of Mutually Assured Destruction (MAD) not be as an effective a deterrent for Iran as it has been for every other nuclear power?

third question: since we have been unable to successfully conclude either the Afghanistan or Iraq conflicts, what on earth makes you think the US could successfully open and close a third front?

i'm not in favor of Iran going nuclear but as i listen to the drumbeats of an administration with zero foreign policy credibility, it sounds a lot like Iraq all over again - and you know how that turned out.

[albed]

I love pea brained liberals who label things they can't comprehend "unthinkable".


People with higher brain function actually can think about a nuclear armed Iran and thus conclude that it shouldn't be allowed.

[Sinner]

Originally Posted by theknife

i love tough guy wingnut rhetoric

first question is: why would you believe the Bush administration on this matter? what part of the last five years where you not paying attention to?

I don’t have to believe Bush or need too for that matter, many countries are concerned, mostly members of the UN, even Russia is weighing on this problem. This is not just a USA problem, but when you are the World Police ie. A Superpower, sometimes you need to take the lead.

next question is: why is a nuclear Iran so unthinkable? why will the policy of Mutually Assured Destruction (MAD) not be as an effective a deterrent for Iran as it has been for every other nuclear power?

There are many reasons why the world should fear Iran having nuclear weapons, I don’t like any country to have them but some do, what is done is done, To be honest if they made them I would not feel any more un-safe. Where I live there will be no nuclear attacks. If I lived in Israel or the middle-east I would have great concern.

third question: since we have been unable to successfully conclude either the Afghanistan or Iraq conflicts, what on earth makes you think the US could successfully open and close a third front?

The USA would need to lead a UN coalition and I think when it comes to nuclear weapons it should not be a problem. Besides, Israel will never let it happen, if nothing is done there will be a repeat of what they did to Iraq, this time though I think the consequences from other Islamic countries will be a lot different.

i'm not in favor of Iran going nuclear but as i listen to the drumbeats of an administration with zero foreign policy credibility, it sounds a lot like Iraq all over again - and you know how that turned out.

I am not in favor of a war with Iran at all, and this should not be a USA decision, it should come from the UN members countries as a whole.

These aren’t friendly streets………

[Mazer]

I've read a few analyses on a possible war with Iran and almost everyone who looks closely at the issue concludes that it would be suicidal to invade Iran. Too many mountains, too many nooks and crannies to sweep, and the majority of Iranians lives in the densly populated northern reigion around Tehran, so any fight there is sure to cause massive amounts of collateral damage. Even arial bombardment is risky, and cruise missile attacks, while marginally safer for the population, would not do enough damage. The military option in Iran is very undesirable, and nobody knows this better than the president and his staff. Believe me, Bush doesn't want war with Iran and he won't be pushing for it any time soon.

Besides, if we ever looked like we were trying to take over the population of Iran we'd be legitimizing their claims that America want's to destroy Islam. That wouldn't accomplish anything. No, the only way to win is to get Iran to voluntarily give up on its nuclear weapons program through diplomacy. And even though military force won't be needed, an American military presence along the Iran-Iraq border would definitly help our position at the table. Perhaps invading Iraq was the only way the international community was ever going to get Iran to heed its demands.

[miss_silver]

Mazer, I hope sincerly you are right on this one.

[Sinner]

Signs That the United States is About to Bomb Iran

by James Dunnigan

Before any major military operation, there are always tell tale signs. With all the talk about Israel or the United States bombing Iran's nuclear weapons program, it would be wise to check for the signs before taking the pundit prattle too seriously.

The U.S. Navy stages a "surge exercise" and moves six carrier battle groups into the Indian Ocean.

A "regularly scheduled exercise" moves Patriot Missile Batteies to Iraq, Kuwait, and Saudi Arabia. These exercises happen from time to time, but if they happen when other things are happening…

Movement of B-52 and B1B bombers to the island of Diego Garcia (in the Indian Ocean).

Deployment of F117 stealth bombers and F-22 fighters to anywhere in the Persian Gulf.

Deployment of B-2 Stealth Bombers to Guam, where there are special facilities for maintaining these aircraft.

Lockdown of Whitman Air Force Base (where most B-2 bombers are stationed) in Missouri.

Increased delivery of Pizza to Pentagon

Sudden loss of cell service near some air force bases (from which heavy bombers would depart). At the same time, there would be sightings of Middle Eastern looking guys around these bases, trying to get their cell phones to work, while being observed by what appears to be FBI agents.

Deployment of KC-135/KC-10 aerial tankers to Diego Garcia, Guam and the Persian Gulf.

America asks nations neighboring Iran for basing and over flight rights.

These warning signs are no secret, and intelligence officers regularly run down their check lists. As a result, nations will sometimes stage a false alert by deliberately performing many of the items on someone's check list, with no intention of following through.

[JackSpratts]

oh boy, another war! cool!

- js.

[Mazer]

Originally Posted by Sinner

Signs That the United States is About to Bomb Iran

That's interesting, Sinner. I personally wouldn't know if any of these things happened myself. I've heard, though, that if Israel wanted to begin bombing they could start now, with or without asking for fly-over permission from Turkey first. For all we know they could be doing it already.