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03-12-05, 05:41 PM | #1 | |
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wanted: a plan to stabilize iraq
so, you've been watching Bush give the same Iraq speech over and over, and you suspect he has no idea how to fix this mess? turns out you're right - he doesn't. in fact, the administration is looking for someone - apparently anyone - who does. step right up - the administration is offering a $1,020,000,000 grant to anyone with a plan. apply here.
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26-02-06, 02:14 AM | #2 | |
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26-02-06, 02:51 AM | #3 | |
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03-03-06, 09:33 AM | #4 |
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Here is my solution:
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04-03-06, 12:49 PM | #5 | |
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im not meaning this literally, im just saying that bush got us into this deep hole, and now he knows it was the wrong decision, so now he needs to dig us out. in my earlier post, i realize that it wasnt the most intelligent post ever posted, but i was just referring to how bush is just a big laugh.. |
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04-03-06, 06:24 PM | #6 |
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I hear ya, just saying that some people don't see the humor in it. It's all good with me, and welcome to NU.
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05-03-06, 01:20 PM | #7 |
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If you would like to see how Saddam and his sons “stabilized” Iraq, rent a copy of the DVD “Buried in the Sand - The Deception of America”. Netflix has it, though I doubt if places like Blockbuster carry it.
Fair warning, it’s not for the squeamish. You will see actual video/audio clips of people getting their tongue cut out with a knife, their fingers chopped off, their head sawn off with (an apparently dull) knife, having their bare feet tied to a horizontal pole and held elevated while the bottoms of the feet are savagely beaten, and other such treats. The crimes these people committed? They annoyed or offended Saddam or his sons. While you’re at it, ask a Kuwaiti citizen who went thru the Iraq invasion and Desert Storm if he/she thinks the U.S. is evil and wrong with it’s stance on Saddam & Co..
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05-03-06, 03:24 PM | #9 |
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You and I know there are ways to solve social problems without employing brutal strongmen. We may not be getting the same results, but we're not using peace as justification for torture and mutilation and that has to count for something. Someday everyone has to grow up, and for Iraq the time is now.
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05-03-06, 04:15 PM | #10 |
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There is NOTHING that justifies the cruelty and brutality that Saddam and his sons inflicted on the Iraqi people.
Even freedom has responsibilities. If the Iraqis really want peace, they are going to have to stop the insurgency. They have freedom but don't know how to cope with it, such knowledge only comes from experience. Transition from a dictatorship to free republic will neither be instant nor orderly, and unfortunately not bloodless. Transition to a free republic was certainly neither instant nor orderly nor bloodless for the United States. It could probably be argued that the process continues to date, with somewhat less expenditure of blood as differing viewpoints clash. But, we have made some progress - you can offend the leader of the country and not get your tongue cut out, fingers chopped off, or head cut off.
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05-03-06, 09:01 PM | #12 |
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So you're telling us that the Iraqis can't keep the peace despite the best efforts of torturers and death squads? What a shock.
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06-03-06, 12:25 AM | #13 | ||
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The article posted says Iraqi death squads are primarily responsible for the torture and deaths mentioned, not U.S. or allied armed services personnel. Hmmm I don't see any mention of tongues cut out, fingers chopped off or heads cut off. It's apparently down to gunshot wounds and occasional power tool accidents. Saddam & Co. killed and tortured thousands, the morgue lists 780 in the article. I would still call it an improvement (with obvious need for further improvement). I didn't say that the conditions in Iraq are the summer of love right now. I did say: "Transition from a dictatorship to free republic will neither be instant nor orderly, and unfortunately not bloodless". Look at the wording carefully in this: Quote:
Ask youself what kind of "facts" are actually conveyed by the information in the article: What is the time frame of this body count? How many days/months/years? Are any of these from Saddams mass graves that are being excavated and examined for evidence? How many had gunshot wounds? Were all the gunshot wounds fatal or did some die from other causes? How many were shot as enemy combatants, executions, stray bullets, accidents, suicides, fire fights between feuding factions? How many had wounds from electric drills? Were these wounds the cause of death? Were the electric drill wounds evidence of torture or simply accidents with power tools? What about the 380 bodies (almost half the total count mentioned) conveniently left out of the "facts"? How did they die? Who were the deceased - insurgents? Innocent Iraqi citizens? Soldiers? The article fails to give any useful facts about the cause of any of those deaths, or even a time period in which they occurred. We know from the data given: 1) During an unknown period of time, 780 bodies were counted. 2) The actual cause of death for any of the bodies is not stated. 3) Of these 780 bodies, 400 bodies had at least one gunshot wound of unspecified nature -or- had at least one injury of unspecified nature determined to be from an electric drill. 4) Of the 780 bodies, 380 (48.7%) go unmentioned (I wonder why). 5) Lawlessness and Iraqi death squads are blamed for the deaths. Interesting that all the body count numbers are evenly divisible by 10. Many aspects of the article cause the reliability and accuracy of the data to come into question. Since the Iraqis are doing this to themselves the "supreme solution" of "GTF out" being advocated would probably not have done any good to prevent these deaths, and if enacted will probably facilitate more such deaths. It would appear that more, not less aid is required to solve the problem.
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06-03-06, 06:55 PM | #15 | |
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Hell, I wonder why the UN recommended that Guantanamo bay must be shut down... Human rights violations? Torture? What about Abu Grahib prison and those soldiers that humiliated and tortured those iraqi prisonners? In my views, they are no better than Saddam and it's cohorts, they are even worse than them. But I reckon it's damned wrong when a leader does that to it's population but ok when the US army does it right? Or is it easier to turn a blind eye to your own troops wrong doing and blame the previous adm for the same action being taken place? Beside, the US gov didn't give a flying fuck about Iraq since the gulf war, they were contended with the embargo. They started paying attention when Saddam decided to switch from petroUSdollars to petroeuro dollars. Iran is about to do the same thing, now they included them, along with Syria in the big great "Axis of Evil" Jeebus, wonder how much kilo of shit must fall on someone head before they wake up and smell the bullshit. Ever seen "Afganistan, the convoy of death"? it was on Passionnate eye (great docos every night on CBC) 2 years ago. It stated that hundreds of Taliban body were shot, execution style and burried in the desert by US soldiers. Saddam has his shitload of wrong doing to answer to but to say he killed so many, i'd take a hard long look in the mirror and reflect on how much the US gov killed Iraquies during the embargo up to the current occupation. The body count is much higher than anyone might expect but hey, it's not like the US gov would want this fact to be published on mainstream media. LoL, i'm sure the king of cut and paste will manifest himself tomorrow with another clever cut and pasted article |
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Well I hope you're not refering to me as the king of c&p, but I do have a response.
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06-03-06, 10:48 PM | #17 | |
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Ironically enough, the USA has been a thorn on Iran side aswell, what can you do about this? As you stated, you believe it has much more to do than the oil, are you so sure of your statement? QUICK QUESTION, do you still believe the lie your gov told you about those so called WMD that have never been found? Wait!!!, they will say that those weapons have been hidden in Iran, wouldn't be surprised if Bush would pull this awful lie off. About a maniacal tyrant as prez, this is when you need to take a hard look in the mirror to guess who is the most tyranical of em all!!! Seems the phrase that Bush Junior said "those who arent with us are against us" would be a dead clue giveaway as to who is tha real terrorists aka those who are not of islam faith are infidels. Man, those to phrase equals the same to me, none is the wiser at all, either the faith ot the political propaganda. |
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07-03-06, 12:48 AM | #18 | |
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Here is a genuine cut & paste from http://www.un.org/News/ossg/iraq.htm
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Hmmmmm Looks nice on a piece of paper doesn't it? Looks clean and humaine and full of good intentions. Unfortunately... Quote:
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I'm in no way defending Saddam but so far, the US imposed embargo on Iraq killed more than Saddam and it's cohort ever did. The embargo and the war on Iraq is simply wrong. It has accomplised almost nothing for the population, their infrastructures still need to be rebuilt. I don't know about you but after 16 years of this shit, i'd be mad as hell. |
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What US Embargo are you talking about? There has never been a US embargo on Iraq. There was a United Nations embargo put in place 4 days after Iraq invaded Kuwait and it was the democrats under Clinton's administration who helped keep it in place for 8 years after the war, not Bush. Can you read or add? The embargo did not last 16 years.
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