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25-10-05, 02:31 PM | #21 |
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Lol. I don't moderate, I incite.
Liberalism vs. Superstitionism. Which is more out of touch with reality? Whales would be a great example of evolution since they've changed so radically from land animals to marine mammals. And of course liberals love whales. Genesis on the other hand - creating man out of dust and spittle - how could anyone think that's absurd? |
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In that case, I don't have to cite a scientific experement on ID in order to prove that it is a theory. To do that I only have to cite the common definition of theory.
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The article later states, "Claims such as intelligent design and homeopathy are not scientific theories, but pseudoscience," but then the article contradicts itself when it describes two types of theory: Quote:
Now I'm not suggesting that ID and evolution get equal time in classrooms, lets be reasonable. Evolution is a complex theory and has matured greatly over the past 150 years, while Intelligent Design is simplistic and hasn't evolved much over the past two millennia. More attention should be paid to those theories for which good tests can be devised, and the other theories that are yet untestable or otherwise falsified should get nothing more than an honorable mention. This is, after all, how we learn about such things as Newton's laws of motion, the four elements of nature, how people thought the earth was flat, alchemy, eugenics, etc. These things are taught in school all the time, and some things like Newtoinan mechanics are taught in great detail. If they don't belong in a science class then they're still important as history, but that's for the school boards and the teachers to decide among themselves. I just don't like the idea of excluding a concept from a curriculum just because some people don't like it (yes, I think those people who banned evolution lessons from their schools were a bunch of wackos). |
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25-10-05, 09:07 PM | #25 |
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Alright, observations then. I don't have to repeat everything.
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25-10-05, 10:08 PM | #26 |
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No. You got to repeat the play and come up with a fact supporting Intelligent Design but you failed to make a completion so knife wins.
ID was just conjured up without any scientific basis at all, only the premise that life is complicated so god must have made it. Little different from an old theological argument that since everything exists then god also exists because everything had to be made by someone. Knowledge has increased considerably along with the freedom to communicate it since the days when religious authorities had a chain and a pile of firewood for the people who dared to openly disagree with them. But a resurgence of superstition in society can once again stall mankinds progress in understanding the universe.
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Well alright. I admit that I know much less about ID than evolution, I'm not a very good devil's advocate but I tried.
Complex is the word people use to describe the universe, not complicated. It's the idea that no matter how random a natural phenomenon may first appear, if you study it thoroughly enough you'll eventually be able devise a logical or mathamatic way to describe it. Then you might realize that almost nothing in nature is random, it's simply chaotic. If follows that if natural phenomena are not random accidents then the universe itself is not a random accident. But then along comes man with his free will, mucking up natural selection by creating civilization. Complexity may or may not be of God's design, depending on who you ask, but life's complications are our own doing. |
26-10-05, 05:11 AM | #28 |
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once you call ID by it's true name - creationism - it becomes pretty clear where it does and doesn't belong.
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26-10-05, 10:31 AM | #29 |
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In Kuhn’s book The Structure of Scientific Revolutions, Thomas Kuhn argued that science is ruled by paradigms, worldviews that fit the available knowledge and according to which scientists operate. But intelligent design is not part of any current scientific paradigm, and besides a few fringe elements, no serious evolutionary biologists accept it. Moreover, it is hard to call ID an emerging scientific paradigm when its leading proponent is a University of California, Berkeley law professor, Phillip E. Johnson, who is not a scientist at all...
The only scientific theory of life's origins thus far is the theory of evolution. ID may have a genuine role to play in the classrooms of philosophers or comparative theologians, but it certainly does not belong in the science lab. If creationists want to have their views taught, they must first meet the biggest challenge in history: proving the existence of God... |
26-10-05, 10:57 AM | #30 |
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That's not a challenge it's a game. Or it used to be. Christianity has gradually changed the 'properties' it attributed to god as science and logic advanced and philosophers used those claimed properties to show there was no god. So the existance of god using the present attributes of modern religion - that he has absolutely no physical effect on anything - is throughly unprovable.
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some people feel that there is a wider range of possibilities than just evolution or ID. certainly these should get equal classroom time as well, no?
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Churches Celebrate Darwin`s Birthday
NEW YORK, NY, United States (UPI) -- Nearly 450 Christian churches in the United States are celebrating the 197th birthday of Charles Darwin Sunday. The churches say Darwin`s theory of biological evolution is compatible with faith and that Christians have no need to choose between religion and science, the Chicago Tribune reported. 'It`s to demonstrate, by Christian leaders and members of the clergy, that you don`t have to make that choice. You can have both,' said Michael Zimmerman, dean of the College of Letters and Sciences at the University of Wisconsin-Oshkosh, who organized the 'Evolution Sunday' event. A variety of denominational and non-denominational churches, including Methodist, Lutheran, Episcopalian, Presbyterian, Unitarian, Congregationalist, United Church of Christ, Baptist and a host of community churches, are participating in the event, which grew out of Zimmerman`s The Clergy Letter Project, another effort to dispel the perception among many Christians that faith and evolution are mutually exclusive, the newspaper said. http://news.monstersandcritics.com/northamerica/article_1096932.php/Churches_celebrate_Darwin`s_birthday |
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This is an important question...
Which are worse ~
preachers or teachers?
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