Cheney

[theknife]

Originally Posted by Sinner

Jack, AMERICA MUST PREVAIL, You can not Run this time;

"prevailing" is not an option - it's unwinnable, by any conventional definition. here's how it ends - the Kurds do reasonably well as an autonomous, independent entity, the Shia end up in bed with Iran, and the Sunnis continue the violence with or without us.

forget democracy, no dancing in the streets, farewell to all that - Iraq was a neocon fantasy that was dead on arrival. the only remaining question is how many more get killed before we write it off and call it a day. as well we should. we got Saddam, no wmd's, mission accomplished - bring 'em home, end of story.

btw, the government of iraq wants us out, too:

CAIRO, Egypt (AP) -- Reaching out to the Sunni Arab community, Iraqi leaders called for a timetable for the withdrawal of U.S.-led forces and said Iraq's opposition had a "legitimate right" of resistance.

The communique -- finalized by Shiite, Kurdish and Sunni leaders Monday -- condemned terrorism but was a clear acknowledgment of the Sunni position that insurgents should not be labeled as terrorists if their operations do not target innocent civilians or institutions designed to provide for the welfare of Iraqi citizens.

The leaders agreed on "calling for the withdrawal of foreign troops according to a timetable, through putting in place an immediate national program to rebuild the armed forces ... control the borders and the security situation" and end terror attacks.

if there is any legitimacy to the claim of freeing iraq, then there is no longer any legal grounds to remain there indefinitely. anyone who argues to stay the course is now arguing to ignore the wishes of the iraqi government, which therefore makes the whole fiasco a sham. so what's it gonna be? are they free or aren't they?