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10-12-04, 02:17 AM | #1 | |
even the losers
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The Intelligence Reform Act passed 336-75 with 152 Republicans, 183 Democrats and the House's lone independent in favor of the bill, while eight Democrats and 67 Republicans voted against it. Twenty-two members did not record a vote. http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2004/roll544.xml In the Senate, an 89-2 vote, with Sens. Robert Byrd, D-W.Va., and James Inhofe, R-Okla., casting the negative votes http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LI...n=2&vote=00216 |
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10-12-04, 04:41 AM | #2 |
Vos vestros servate, meos mihi linquite mores.
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In the UK, Blunkett appears determined to force the issue of an ID card for all citizens on the pretence of it being convenient for everybody to have one. The card will (allegedly) be acceptable for entitlement for NHS treatment (which presently free and you don't have to prove who you are to receive it); benefits (turn up at an office with name & date of birth, good enough) the police (presently name & dob will do for a search for outstanding warrants, why would they need to know anything else? If stopped and searched, and you refuse to give a credible name & dob they'll arrest you anyway..) banking and other financial transactions (huh? I shop online with my credit card: don't need ID for that.)
To quote the duffer himself: “The ability to prove one's identity reliably is an ever-more important aspect of modern life. A national ID cards scheme will provide a 'gold standard' for doing that, protecting individuals from the modern-day crime of identity theft, protecting public services for use by those who are properly entitled to them, and helping us tackle crime, terrorism, and illegal immigration and working.” David Blunkett, Home Secretary ID card strategy You won't be compelled to carry the card. The element of compulsion is unacceptable to a majority. Services that are at present available without the need to produce ID will not be affected. So why should I pay the gov £35 - £85 (price to be confirmed) for something that I'm unlikely to ever use? Secondly, what about the large population who are in receipt of benefits, for whom £35 - £85 is a large amount of money to find? Do they get one for free? |
10-12-04, 02:02 PM | #3 | |
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10-12-04, 02:48 PM | #4 | |
flippin 'em off
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Can you really keep a straight face while claiming a bill supported by more democrats than republicans "is the bill the republicans wanted, not the democrats.".
You have to learn to camouflage your bullshit with a lot of extraneous words so your ridiculous statements aren't so obvious. And try using the shift key once in awhile. (just flick the boogers off your pinkeys and use them) http://www.cnsnews.com//ViewPolitics...041208a. html Quote:
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10-12-04, 04:18 PM | #5 |
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maybe they need vitamins...
we control the house, we control the senate, we control the whitehouse - but boo hoo - we're powerless against the democrats! national standards/national ids those drivers license provisions are part of the republican's big brother approach to this bill, which is after all, the point of this thread (hey albed – wake up). but for you folks who can't stomach civil liberties don't worry, the republicans will get those controversial provisions back in there in no time. probably very soon. it's something the democrats can't stop. - js. |
13-12-04, 02:13 AM | #6 |
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Bush's New World Order Coming On Fast
Four More Years to Create a Police State
President Bush has gotten four more years (almost certainly through massive vote fraud) to complete the process of setting up his NWO police state, and it is coming on fast now with the passing of Patriot Act II and a national identity card ("Your papers please!"). It also looks as if preparations are being put in place to carry out forced psychiatric testing of the population (see: "New Freedom Initiative" which passed Congress by a giant majority). This latter sign brings to mind the old Soviet system called the "Gulag" which operated a system of forced labor camps, which became a primary means of repression of dissidents, many of whom were placed there on trumped up charges of having psychiatric disorders. Yes, Bush's NWO is coming on fast. We'd better learn to get out of its way, and perhaps also learn the new skills and methods of surviving in a police state. But first a brief digression.... snip One can read Infowars' thumbnail sketch of the various provisions of the bill here. http://www.infowars.com/articles/ps/...owers_bush.htm Here, quickly, are some of them, from the above link: The definition of what a terrorist is expanded beyond that already overbroad definition in Patriot Act II. Anyone U.S. citizen on the street can be grabbed off the street and thrown into a van never to be seen again. (End of freedom from unreasonable search and siezure). It's illegal for anyone to tell anyone the location or anything about detainees. Law enforcement no longer has to tell the press whom they have arrested or release their names. (Beginning of secret police). Sets up a national database for anyone with any connection to any suspected terrorist or suspected terrorist group, and sets up a national DNA database and orders states to collect DNA data for the federal government. Gives immunity to law enforcement engaging in spying operations against the American people. (End of right to privacy). Strips any citizen who is designated as a "terrorist" (under the newly broadened definitions) of all their rights. (End of "inalienable rights"). States clearly that any information gathering, regardless of whether or not those activities are illegal, can be considered to be clandestine intelligence activities for a foreign power. This makes news gathering illegal. (End of freedom of the press). Allows wartime martial law without a declaration of war. (Police state). Allows searches without search warrants. (End of 4th Amendment). Allows secret star chamber courts to issue contempt charges against any individual or corporation who refuses to incriminate themselves or others. (End of 5th Amendment). Makes certain "sunset" of Patriot I act permanent. Allows the government to search your bank records and medical records. (End of right to privacy). Allows federal government to take over state grand juries. Also disallows individuals or organizations to even try to quash a Federal subpoena. So now defending yourself will be a terrorist action. Destroys any remaining whistleblower protection for Federal agents. Allows corporations to keep secret their activities with toxic biological, chemical or radiological materials. Allows top Federal officials to keep all their financial dealings secret, and anyone investigating them can be considered a terrorist. (Call this the "Cheney Clause). Allows big businesses that spy on their customers for Homeland Security to violate their privacy agreements Allows Homeland Security to secretly take individuals out of foreign countries. Says you are "Providing Material Support to Terrorism" (and thus you are a terrorist) even if you had no intent to do so. Any activity that affects interstate or foreign commerce is now considered a "weapon of mass destruction." Creates lifetime parole (basically, slavery) for a whole host of crimes. Creates no statute of limitations for anyone that engages in terrorist actions or supports terrorists. (Remember: any crime is now considered terrorism under the first Patriot Act). end snip more |
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