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[daddydirt]

Originally Posted by theknife

well, it's quite easily explained...

you see, us fair-minded Americans are in the grips of a radical, neo-conservative right-wing government who are, due to the nuances of electoral politics, required to curry favor with the large and influential Cuban population in the crucial swing state of Florida in order to win the next election and maintain power. therefore, in the grand US tradition of trampling human rights to perpetuate foreign policy objectives, which in turn are designed to achieve political objectives, the Bush administration has made it policy to keeps it's nose buried deeply in the asshole of the anti-Castro lobby and crush any flies who happen to have been buzzing around, attracted to the stink.

clear as a fucking bell, no?

In 1998, five such individuals were arrested and tried in, of all places, Miami, Florida, despite their attorneys' requests to move the trial to a city where anti-Cuban prejudice would be less, such as Fort Lauderdale.

don't see how you can blame this one on the Bush administration tk

[theknife]

Originally Posted by daddydirt

In 1998, five such individuals were arrested and tried in, of all places, Miami, Florida, despite their attorneys' requests to move the trial to a city where anti-Cuban prejudice would be less, such as Fort Lauderdale.

don't see how you can blame this one on the Bush administration tk

only by default, dd, coz they're the administration in currently in power. but you're quite correct - this case would have to have Janet Reno's fingerprints on it and cerainly the Clinton's were as guilty as anyone of perpetuating this silly Cuba bullshit. this stuff goes back to the 50's, i believe, thru Dem & GOP administrations alike....i never understood it - how one group has managed to hold US foreign policy hostage to their wishes for the last 50 years. the only thing i know for sure is that the Cuban ex-pat faction is very powerful - they give lots of money, have great lobbyists, and everyone is scared to piss them off coz the conventional wisdom is that they can make or break a candidate in Florida.

we've had an embargo against Castro for 50 years and it hasn't moved him an inch - you'd think we might think about trying something different

[albed]

Originally Posted by theknife

we've had an embargo against Castro for 50 years and it hasn't moved him an inch - you'd think we might think about trying something different

Google "bay of pigs" and "cia castro assassination".

Don't you weenies learn anything except commie propaganda?

There was a lot of Cuban military intervention in Africa and sneakier stuff in Latin America and the Caribbean as well.

Try learning more and getting high less.

I can see you people's infatuation about the "from each according to his abilities" thing though....you wouldn't have to do squat.

[Heathcliff]

Originally Posted by albed

Google "bay of pigs" and "cia castro assassination".

Don't you weenies learn anything except commie propaganda?

SNIP...


according to his abilities" thing though....you wouldn't have to do squat.

Spoken like an old timey slaver. Is that really your view of humanity, that we'er all shiftless and worthless unless forced into involuntary servitude buy one of the (no doubt) God's chosen?

You must be a very discontented or frustrated person at times like that. Try to feel that side of yourself when you think things like that, Go deeply into it and sit back and observe what happens to you emotionally. Don't think about it, don't criticize, just observe.

Let that be your meditation for today.

I dare you. I double dog dare you.

:/

[malvachat]

O.K. so to keep people happy,the policy againest cuba continues.
Thats politics.
What I would like to know.
Did these men get a fair trail?
The Cuban people don't think so.
Therefore to win hearts and minds a retrail might be in order.
I found the Cuban people to be well informed and educated.
Not a repressed people at all.
Of couse I know it's in their interests to be friendly to visters,but
to invite people into their homes and help my wife and I to travel
most of their country was above the call of duty.
My own views are put aside when I am treated with such kindness.
I never once felt uneasy,the same cannot be said about when I was
in Miami last year.
As to what will happen when Castro dies I'm don't know.
The health and education in Cuba is fantastic and is regarded by most of the Cubans I met,as the most importent things.I got the feeling that they would
defend these things,should anybody try to change them.

[albed]

Originally Posted by malvachat

I found the Cuban people to be well informed and educated.
Not a repressed people at all.

Guess you didn't meet any Cuban political prisoners. They're a little off the beaten path. Try to arrange a tour next time you're there.

Originally Posted by malvachat

Of couse I know it's in their interests to be friendly to visters,but
to invite people into their homes and help my wife and I to travel
most of their country was above the call of duty.
My own views are put aside when I am treated with such kindness.

Kind of weak minded of you if that's all it takes. I base my views on less superficial things and don't change them so easily.

Originally Posted by malvachat

As to what will happen when Castro dies I'm don't know.

Same with the Cubans. Not letting them run their own country leaves them lacking the neccessary experience to take over.

Originally Posted by malvachat

The health and education in Cuba is fantastic and is regarded by most of the Cubans I met,as the most importent things.I got the feeling that they would
defend these things,should anybody try to change them.

Of course they'd defend them, they're free. Try to seperate an American from his government benefits, or anyone probably, and you'll get a fight.