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Originally Posted by theknife
the 13 colonies stood up and initiated the fight for their freedom on thier own because they wanted it that bad. the iraqis didn't want freedom bad enough to start the fight for it, they don't want it bad enough to sustain the fight on thier own, and they aren't going to get freedom from us.
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I would have thought a liberal propaganda machine like you would at least recall the recent uprising brought about by Bush one's encouragement after Desert Storm.
Here's a few more examples to help you understand that Iraqis want freedom bad enough to start their own fight for it.
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The Great Iraqi Revolution. May 1920-Feb. 1921-Rebellion by Iraqi Arabs against the rule of the British Mandate. The rebellion was suppressed by the British military. This can be considered the First Anglo-Iraqi War.
Kurdish Revolt. 1922-1924 -Rebellion by Iraqi Kurds against the British Mandate.
Shia Tribal Revolt. 1935-Shiite uprising against the Iraqi government.
Kurdish Revolt. 1943 (July to October)-Rebellion suppressed by the Iraqi Army and the British RAF.
Kurdish Revolt. 1961-1970. After a period of relative calm, Iraqi government promises of Kurdish autonomy, or self-rule, went unfulfilled, sparking discontent and eventual rebellion
Kurdish Revolt -March, 1974 - In March, 1974, Kurdish rebels led by Mullah Mustafa Barzani (having survived an assassination attempt) rebelled against the government. The Kurds felt that the government was not living up to the agreement which ended the previous revolt. The Iraqi Kurds were supported by the Shah (King) of neighboring Iran, who sought to put pressure on the Iraqi government over a border dispute. The Kurds were also assisted by the American Central Intelligence Agency (CIA), who opposed the Iraqi government due to its friendly relations with the Soviet Union. After an agreement between the Shah of Iran and Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein in 1975, (which temporarily settled the border dispute until the Iran-Iraq War began in 1980), the Kurds collapsed under intense Iraqi military pressure. The CIA, allied to the Shah, also suspended aid. Kurds cite this betrayal by two key allies as evidence supporting their future distrust of American attempts to incite them to fight Saddam Hussein’s forces in the 1990s and in the early years of the 21st Century.
Kurdish Revolt.1983-1988. During the Iran-Iraq War (1980-1988), Iraqi Kurds, aided by Iran, fought against Iraqi government forces. In 1987 and 1988, the Iraqi military used chemical weapons to kill thousands of Kurds (including many civilians) in a successful effort to break the back of the resistance.
Kurdish Revolt.1991. Encouraged by the stunning defeat of Saddam’s forces in Kuwait and spurred by appeals by President George H. W. Bush of the U.S., Kurds rose up against the Iraqi government With the bulk of his elite forces having escaped from the fighting in Kuwait and southern Iraq, Saddam was able to quell the revolt, causing hundreds of thousands of Kurdish refugees to flee into neighboring Turkey and Iran to escape.
Shiite Revolt. 1991. Encouraged by the stunning defeat of Saddam’s forces in Kuwait and spurred by appeals by President George H. W. Bush of the U.S., the Shiites of southern Iraq rose up against the Iraqi government, only to be crushed by Saddam’s forces. Sporadic guerrilla resistance continued, with the bulk of the Shiite fighting forces seeking refuge in neighboring Shiite Iran.
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http://www.historyguy.com/wars_of_iraq.html
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Originally Posted by theknife
meanwhile, post-war germany and japan are completely irrelevant comparisons. both had been industrialized, relatively well-educated societies with experience in democracy prior to WW2 - iraq is a tribal, relatively undeveloped society whose primary religion is incompatible with democracy.
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They were forced into democracy at the point of a gun. That was the point I was making. It can be done.
Hmmm...CIA Factbook Iraq:
GDP - composition by sector:
agriculture: 13.6%
industry: 58.6%
services: 27.8% (2004 est.)
http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/...s/iz.html#Econ
I recall reading the Iraqis were generally well educated as well.
Pretty impressive cities too for being relatively undeveloped.
Christ knife do you actually know anything at all about Iraq?