[miss_silver]

I do like to argue with you on politics AweShucks Even though i'm no democrat. Couldn't be since I don't live in your country.

Yes, unfortunately, the Kurds do live in iraq but i serouisly doubt that the Kurds called themselves Iraqies if givin the choice.

I've seen shitload of doc about saddam regime and the one who marked me the most is "Uncle Saddam" Played on 'The Passionnate eye' aired on CBC Newsworld every night. Basically it showed Saddam as a sick person with the illness wanting to beat the US ass at any price. Also saw about chimical Ali, the one who is truly behind the kurds chimical murder.

True.. There is a large ethnic and religious split among the Iraqi people. Neither see eye to eye just like us dems and reps however they tend to use violence not words.

Aye on this one truly sad that some ppl needs automatic weapons to make their point heard. Violence always lead to more violence.

Saddam stole the whole damn country!

He did not! True enough, he's a real monster but did not steal the country, through political channels, he was the next in line for presidency from Of course, nobody could foresaw what he would do with his newly acquired power.

Alot of that hearsay and lack of proofs were passed on to him by the Clinton Administration do not forget that. After all during the Clinton Admin we knew full well that Iraq had those weapons then. Also we have yet to find any weapons but we do know he had the programs in place to make them. Or was developing programs to make them. Letting Saddam get the A-Bomb would of been a huge mistake. We know he had a partial program for it at one time. He had been trying to get the bomb for years. The French were even kind enough to give him some technology at one point. That is until Israel blew it up on him

Ok, in another point of view, I need proofs on this Just to say that according to a lot of info i've read (keep in mind that there is no impartial journalists, it's a mith) that Bush didn't think al-Q was a menace but saddam was. In it's first year of presidency, he mostly didn't give a flying fuck nor was scared of al-Q or bin ladden. Sadly, a year later, 2 towers fell and a lot of ppl got killed, including the ones who threw themselves off the tower Again, sadly enough, it was a mistake to dismissing this treath. IMO, if the US keeps trying to subjucate middle east countries, a lot more terrorists attacks will occur. Now, i'm not talking for the dems or the reps here, but, from what i've seen so far from history is that, what US wants, US will get regardless of the means they will use Blame any adm you want about the Iraqie regime, Al-Q was the foremost threath against the US ant Bush Ignored it completely. Now because of this, the US has inplicated a lot of countries on their "War on terrorists" Just to say that, true, Al-Q did give you a run for your money on this even though it was one of the sadest event I had to witness in history, even saw the second plain hit the other tower, live from cnn. I remember that at the time when the first tower was hit, a lot of ppl thought it was a bomb, took a second airplain to change opinions. Hey, I remember one day when my youth group took us to NY, one of them in charge told us to just streach our arms and try to locate the end of the tower (of course, we were on the ground) but I remember my neck hurting in the morning Just couldn't do it since the towers were so tall.

Needless to say I was shocked and shook to my bones when I saw the first tower collapse, ditto for the second one. I also remember that Bush was no where to be found on this sad day when He truly heard the music. Also remember a certain mayor covered in white dust after the 2 tower fell. Where were Bush Jr at that time? He was being a chicken shit scared out of his mind for not listening the warning issued to him for a whole year. Even if saddam had plans for the a bomb, it was still hearsay (proofs please) Clinton adm were more scared of al-q than Saddam. Guess they were right on this... Strange enough that the tower weren't hit sooner under clinton 8 years. Just saying.

Maybe then we would finally develop an energy plan?? Something neither politcal party has managed to do yet or even seriously considered. Actually Russia is still broke they can't buy squat. China is the one who will become the superpower over the next decade. No thanks to Bill Clinton for signing NAFTA. However shutting the US off of oil would most likely spell economic hell to any Arab nation.

Now yar talking Unfortunately, beleive it or not, over here we had developped a very performant electrical motor, the research were snuff out, no electrical motor in this era until oil deplition i'm afraid, also had a fascility on how they were trying to develop a stable plasma stream to power up centrals safely without the nuclear byproducts, this too got shut down unfortunately Seems that the quest to find other alternative to fossil fuel always get shut down.

About Clinton and Nafta, The only thing he did was to bring the mexican into the deal. Before that it was only the US and Canada. I don't see how you can blame Clinton on this unless you have something against the mexican ppl (truly hope not). Now, to quote you on this again

However shutting the US off of oil would most likely spell economic hell to any Arab nation.

Don't think so, they have the right to sell to anyone they choose. They will only truly get broke when the oil runs out, and it will. It would only be hell for America. C'mon, they hold us by the balls on this And USA hates it. Also, given the stats, run will run out in abour 20 years and that is being hopefully 20 years still, yet, so far even though it is predicted, no effort is truly made to develop another energy sources in the US af you so correctly pointed out

Democrats critisize Bush for acting on intelligence that appeared to be valid "Iraq". Then on the flipside they also critisize him for not acting on intelligence that appeared to be too vague "9/11" Odd how things work out isn't it?

Considering that Bush was reading a goat story to a bunch of kids at the time they informed him that a first tower was hit (not clear at the time about being a bomb or a plain) and when the second tower was hit (obviously by a plain caught on film) he still didn't do squat, meaning, calling the airforce to shoot down the other 2 hijack planes. One hit the pentagone and if it werent for the courage and sacrifice of the other passengers on the fourth plane, according to intelligence, this one was ment for the white house.

AweShucks, i've met other rep on this board that made more sense than supporting the Bush adm. Also remember on how Mc Cain was snuffed out by the Bush publicity during the choosing of the next rep representative for the white house. I have nothing against the reps, only have something against the Bush adm and how he got into power (Florida Ballots scam) Over here, we might be a primitive country by counting by hands the vote, but atleast, we are truly sure as to who won the election, there is no bad dimple of half punch ballot issue. We do not rely on computers or informatised way to count the votes of our citizen.

Just to say that it should remain a local issue, why did the US/UK needed to drag along shithoad of other countries into this war? Was the US lacking money to wage war into iraq? Was it the infamous quote from Bush JR that if a country is not with us (our ideaology) is against us?

With all the weapon you have, such a statement could be considered as a treath to other countries

The US are not the cops or police state of the whole world The US has no right to meddle into the world affairs since if the whole world does not go with their point of view, they are against them. What a fucked up conspiracy theory and what a load of egotistic crap.

Wonder what will happen when you run out of drikable water, will the US invade us next for our natural ressources