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Originally Posted by Necrodancer

Well that's that then.

I guess so.

"Every" might have been a reach, but certainly every country that matters on the world stage. Because I'm too lazy to Google for every single country, I'll just offer Hans Blix's 2003 report to the UN, in which he said Iraq had not complied with resolutions to both destroy their WMD stockpile and document the destruction: http://www.un.org/Depts/unmovic/Bx27.htm

Oh but we comply with all the UN resolutions. *more sarcasm* Besides it seems that they did get rid of their stockpiles.

Ah Joe Wilson...it seems despite being refuted and debunked by the bipartisan Senate Select Committee On Intelligence people still seem to think he has credibility.

I hadn't heard of that. Maybe you could give me a source on that.

And I've seen documentaries of people saying they've seen Elvis and space aliens. Anecdotal evidence is not gospel. Also it's amazing how these poor souls you saw, supposedly, on this documentary are "saying something" in spite of your assertion that they can be "put in jail". Reckless daredevils they are.

Or they could be considered patriots who are voicing their opposition to unjust laws.

They also watch groups like the Aryan Nation and radical religious groups. Keeping an eye on crazy radicals is something I would hope our government would do. Remember Oklahoma City?

I would hardly consider Veterans for Peace to be a "crazy radical" group.

That's interesting. Do you have a link to the actual "Pentagon Papers" and not some obviously biased article?

No I haven't found the papers yet, but I have put in a few queries. And this has been reported by many news outlets, not just the "biased" sources.

We are. If you think beheading a prisoner and having a dog bark in one's face are in any way analogous, you're either insane, retarded or both.To quote you "There you go again thinking you know what I think". I don't think we need to start beheading prisoners on live TV, strapping bombs to GI's chests and sending them into crowds or blaming the Jews for everything, I just would like to be able to get workable intel from these scumbags when we get them. Do you really think waterboarding and slaps are the same as chopping off someones head?

Yes we are better, but we are also regressing in our policy about torture. No chopping someones head off is not the same as dogs or slaps or waterboards. I don't think they were trying to gather intel by chopping heads off, though.

Now we're retreading, I already went over why. Pay attention.

So you are seriously telling me that you excuse for the immunity clause is..."Because foreign nations (read: EUROPE) are pussified appeasement specialists and deem harsh words yelled at a detainee to be cruel and unusual torture." That's pretty weak reasoning.