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Old 07-08-05, 10:47 PM   #6
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Originally Posted by albed
Yep, just like the US fought for it's democracy with no help at all from the french. That's the way it's gotta be alright.



Not to mention post war Germany and Japan. No one forced democracy on them at the point of a gun eh?




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the 13 colonies stood up and initiated the fight for their freedom on thier own because they wanted it that bad. the iraqis didn't want freedom bad enough to start the fight for it, they don't want it bad enough to sustain the fight on thier own, and they aren't going to get freedom from us.

meanwhile, post-war germany and japan are completely irrelevant comparisons. both had been industrialized, relatively well-educated societies with experience in democracy prior to WW2 - iraq is a tribal, relatively undeveloped society whose primary religion is incompatible with democracy.

so the discussion of any "timeline" is a euphemism for the casualtie rate of the brave men and women who will be cannon fodder for Bush's disastrous foriegn policy fantasies, because the unsaid assumption is that X number of them will have to die for your timeline. perhaps that might be a more relevant poll to measure these goals - in bodies rather than time: how many American deaths is the Iraqi constitution worth to you? or re-establishing iraqi infrastructure? or propping up the Iraqi economy? or the establishment of iraqi civil rights?

the answer is zero.
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