Yet one more person who doesn't read Ramona's posts.

Well spotted man.I hadn't seen that.:KSY:
So you CAN read.
:scared:
Do you think it might be true then? :tu:

Secret Service says Cheney was drunk when he shot lawyer

http://www.capitolhillblue.com/artma...cle_8184.shtml

What I don't get is.

" It's a sure bet that is a private doctor who treated the victim of Cheney's reckless and drunken actions can't talk to the public then any evidence that shows the Vice President drunk as a skunk will never see the light of day."

Is this not slander or libel I forget which is which
They print the Vice President was "drunk as a skunk"
But can not prove it.

it's a bit different here in the states than in britain. in order that the press isn't unduly muzzled reporting on powerfull governmnt figures etc the famous have to prove the lie, instead of the other way around. in this case cheney would have to have witnesses testify he wasn't drinking and the jury would weigh who's more credible, the reporter or the vp. fat chance for cheney-he's already changed his story from "zero" drinking to some and lost whatever benefit of the doubt came with his reputation, such as it was. he's ruined now and rightly so. this was no highway mishap. he cleary lied about an entirely avoidable shooting that nearly killed a man. there will be no more excuses for him.

if it happened to kennedy there'd be calls to remove an "out-of-control madman" from office. if something like this again happens to cheney we'll hear the same.

- js.

I'd think you neocommies would be happy having conservative capitalist pigs shooting one another.



You probably are; just faking outrage while reading your fake news articles to one another.

have a cry you wipmering mut..
you and your lot are finished..washed up,dearranged bunch of losers
better face it..

but then living in denial is a way of life for you conservertive creeps..

I've never denied that you're a twisted, burned-out pothead who goes looking though every disreputable website on the internet to find your nuggets of bullshit propaganda so you can crow out your proclamations of hatred for all the successful, well adjusted people enjoying life in the real world.


That's simply the way it is.

if i was burned out as you say..i probably wouldnt have the attention span for reading a comic book let alone pages of text.
would someone so burned out even give a fuck about politics?
man, you wouldn't know a burned out pothead if you fell over one


but do admit at times i need some glasses :p

sickening, isnt it?

this explains a lot:
 

in high school civics class, we were taught there were three branches of US government: executive, judicial, & legislative. not so, says the Office of the Vice-President: Dick Cheney feels he is a fourth branch:
this is the VP's office rationale for refusing federal requests for details as to the size and scope of his staff, for inclusion in a federal directory known as the Plum Book. Cheney is running his own operation: sort of an extra-Constitutional thing - the super double top-secret office of the Vice President. even other government agencies are routinely stonewalled by the VP's office:perhaps the new Congress might want to look into the constitutional role of the VP's office - i know my high school civics teacher would appreciate the update.

That would be a nice distraction from America's real problems, wouldn't it?

Yeah, Cheney has a weird interpretation of his job, but he's got a point. The vice president has one Constitutional duty, to cast the tie-breaking vote in the senate and that makes him a figurehead at best. That's no excuse for his secrecy though. The Justice Department ought to get a court order to allow a search of Cheney's office. A figurehead like him only needs to keep the president's secrets, not his own.

Edit: not to discount the weight of this problem, but I think you're fishing for controversy, knife. Why the Federation of National Scientists has any opinion whatsoever on the vice president's classification practices, I can only guess, but I wouldn't be surprised if their inquiries were politically motivated. You needn't create a tempest in a teapot. There's enough real controversy in D.C. to go around.

the American Federation of Scientists is not the inquiring party - they only reported the inquiry on thier site. the investigating office is the Information Security Oversight Office. US News is reporting on it as well.

as far as relevance, Cheney's office has been instrumental in the creation of our current problems - the invasion of iraq in particular - but more generally in the overall erosion of the constitutional checks and balances vis a vis the assertion of executive power over the other branches of government. Cheney's the most powerful VP in history - and a champion of warrantless wiretapping, denial of habeas corpus, torture, secret courts, rendition, secret prisons, and of course, the disastrous invasion of Iraq and the manipulation of intelligence data therein. the above inquiry is symptomatic of the VP's fundamental abhorrence of transparency in government. democracy works best in the open, no?

The Shadow Presidency
 

The Libby trial is revealing fascinating details about Cheney's involvement in, well, just about everything:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070211/...cheney_s_world

Mind if I nitpick? From your own link:
I'm still wondering why this would concern a group whose stated purpose is "to promote humanitarian uses of science and technology." Are they afraid that Cheney's statistics dodging is an abuse of technology that violates human rights? As conspiracy theories go, this one is weak tea.

Like I was trying to say, Cheney will probably be impeached over far worse charges than snubbing the FAS and the ISOO.

to pick some nit back :p , regardless of AFS motivation, the ISOO obviously thinks there's a case. from the US News article:
the money quote: "But the office of the vice president is resisting even that minimal level of accountability."

Well alright, enjoy this harmless little game of charades while it lasts. I'm not defending Cheney's secrecy, mind you, I'm just saying that there are more important issues on the public mind than this little 'scandal.'