Saddam's Death Sentence Upheld
 

The highest appeals court of Iraq has upheld Saddam's death sentence.

Saddam must now be executed by hanging within 30 days.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/13163805/

Seeing as how I don't believe in the death penalty,

Why not just let him free in the streets of Bagdad.

Announce the time and place in advance and let the people there make their own judgment.

too bad they couldnt hold off until super bowl sunday

just imagine the witty advertisments and high ratings

The bookies would jump all over it too...

Bet the odds/minutes of survival.

Saddam's execution is planned to occur within the next 48 hours, on Friday or Saturday.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16384738/?GT1=8816

Get ready for a full blown scale civil war when it happens, another martyr, another wave of mass violence.

Isn't it forbidden to hand a prisoner of war to his adversary according to the international conventions?

But... I thought Iraq was already in a state of civil war. You said so.

Saddam is an Iraqi.
Saddam is the (former) "President" of Iraq.
How could handing him over to the Iraqi Government (his own country) constitute handing him over to an adversary?

Just because Saddam has been tried and convicted as a criminal, this (IMO) does not make his own country an "adversary" within international laws.

Hardy har har

Saddam is going to be considered as a martyr. Isalmists take their martyrs very seriously. I consider sectarian violence the beginning of civil war, hang Saddam, Shiites and Sunnies are really gonna go at eachother's throath. If you would have bothered to read my previous post to you, you might have realised that the Sunnies are a minority in Iraq. The current gov is Shi'a, all things considered, since he was captured by the US army, he was a US prisonner of war. Handing him over to a Shi'a government is giving him to the hands of the adversary.

The Hangin' Song from Ren & Stimpy's "Out West"

C'mon everbody! Let's have a hoedown!

Oh, Lord loves a hangin'.
That's why He gave us necks.
It tightens up our vocal cords
And loosens up our pecs.

So if you are a horse theif
And guilty to the bone,
Go ahead and blame a friend
And you won't hang alone.

It may be hard to swaller,
But you'll be three feet taller.
It's a dandy way to entertain your friends.

You say you are a villain,
But can't abide by killin';
Go ahead a steal yourself a horse.

Oh, Lord loves a hangin'.
And so do we, by heck;
So get yerself a lasso
And decorate your neck.

Oh, we is awful ignorant
And uglier 'n sin;
So go ahead 'n cut us down
And hang us all again,

Hangin' that is. Swing a spell...

:bc: :bc: :bc:

Wanted: Dead or alive cards - $20.00
Illegally invading and occupying a sovereign nation - $500,000,000,000.00
Dead man swinging from a tree - Priceless?

Careful RDixon. You're in danger of developing a sense of humor.

"Saddam is going to be considered as a martyr"
BFD. So, he gets the 70 virgins - or does he? He killed other Muslims, and that's a Qur'an no-no. Maybe he gets 70 virgin female demons (with fire “down there”).

I am sure some will consider Saddam a martyr. If Saddam is a martyr, so are all his victims - including the soldiers (on both sides) that died in the Iraq conflicts.

"Shiites and Sunnies are really gonna go at eachother's throath"
They already are "at each others throats". Saddam is a Sunni, are the Sunnis going to increase hostilities? Maybe. Such things can’t be permitted to interfere with the legal process. Saddam is a convicted criminal.

"If you would have bothered to read my previous post to you, you might have realised that the Sunnies are a minority in Iraq"
Actually, I did read the post. I was already aware of the points within it. If you had read what you copy/pasted you would know the Sunnis are a (approximately 8:1) majority, not a minority.

"The current gov is Shi'a, all things considered, since he was captured by the US army, he was a US prisonner of war. Handing him over to a Shi'a government is giving him to the hands of the adversary"
Saddam was indeed captured by the U.S. and his legal status was prisoner of war.
Handing a POW who is Iraqi over to the Iraqi government is not "handing him over to an adversary". Many thousands of Iraqi POW's held by the U.S. were released back to Iraq.

It's apparently a moot point now anyway - Amid conflicting reports, the U.S. has already transferred custody of Saddam to the Iraqi Government. Saddam has already surrendered his personal belongings to his family and has given them his will. The Iraqi Prime Minister has signed the death warrant. It looks like his execution will be soon - maybe today (Friday 12/29) or early Saturday morning Iraq time.. They may delay it for one week because of a religious holiday.

Fox news also reported that video of the execution is expected to be released.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,239783,00.html
U.S. media will probably not show it, but it will probably be on the ‘net.

Although Saddam’s execution seems eminent, he still faces other genocide charges in which he killed up to 100,000 Kurds.

The new Iraqi government is going to have to find a way to appease the various groups. I do not envy them, it seems as if that is an impossible task.

I can only hope that Saddam's conviction and execution will at least release most Iraqis from the pain of his cruel reign.

If the execution is prepared properly, Saddam’s end will be quick. His death will be much more humane than that of his victims.

About the Sunnie and Shi'a ratio, I made one fatal mistake, to trust the US administration report.

http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig7/ziada1.html

Ouch! Even worse that I tought.Thanks for setting the fact straight on the sunnie majority. More Saddam supporter will hit the streets rioting.

Just found something really fascinating on Wiki... Unless Wiki became a conspiracy theorist site, the USA is only cleaning up it's mess.

The American fear of Communism gave rise to Saddam and his party. Since Saddam was backed by the United States to Overthrow communism in Iraq, the United States administration should take the blame for all the atrocities he commited.

Your founding father had it right when he said that the United States should stay out of "foreign entanglements." If Iraq wanted to turn toward communism, the USA should have let them do so. By supporting Saddam back them, the USA administration paved the way of what Hellhole Iraq is right now.

I just pray that all hell will not break loose at Mecca tonight between Shi'a and Sunnies over this.


Talking about a cruel reign, I wonder what the prisonners at Gitmo and ABU are thinking about your current president?

Say what U want about the Sunnys and the Shitys... (hahahahaha ms. silver).

Saddam is a piece of crap.

Not anymore. They hanged him about half an hour ago.

Yes. MSN and other sources are reporting Saddam was executed just before 6 AM Iraqi time, 10:00 PM Eastern time.

"Hanging Saddam is easy. It's a job, for once, that these folks can actually see through to completion. So this execution, ironically and pathetically, becomes a stand-in for the failures, incompetence and general betrayal of country on every other front that President Bush has brought us.... This is the best we can do. Hang Saddam Hussein because there's nothing else this president can get right."

http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/011729.php

another act in the farce of iraq. tomorrow, it's back to the reality for the people of iraq whom, by any metric you'd care to use, would be far better off if Saddam was still in charge.

[quote}Talking about a cruel reign, I wonder what the prisonners at Gitmo and ABU are thinking about your current president?[/quote]

Saddam's "accomplishments":

1980-88: Iran-Iraq war left 150,000 to 340,000 Iraqis and 450,000 to 730,000 Iranians dead. As much as 1,070,000 dead in all.

1983-1988: Documented chemical attacks by Iraqi regime caused some 30,000 Iraqi and Iranian deaths.

1988: Chemical attack on Kurdish village of Halabja killed approximately 5,000 people.

1987-1988: Iraqi regime used chemical agents in attacks against at least 40 Kurdish villages.

1990-91: 1,000 Kuwaitis were killed in Iraqi invasion of Kuwait.

1991: bloody suppression of Kurdish and Shi'a uprisings in northern and southern Iraq killed at least 30,000 to 60,000. At least 2,000 Kurdish villages were destroyed during the campaign of terror.

2001 Amnesty International report: "Victims of torture in Iraq are subjected to a wide range of forms of torture, including the gouging out of eyes, severe beatings and electric shocks... some victims have died as a result and many have been left with permanent physical and psychological damage."

Human Rights Watch: Hussein's 1987-1988 campaign of terror against the Kurds killed at least 50,000 and possibly as many as 100,000 Kurds.

Refugees International: "Oppressive government policies have led to the internal displacement of 900,000 Iraqis"

Hey

I noticed that I was an easy prey since i'm not a US citizen...

I am still to my knowledge free to express my opinions. Drak, want to talk about state terrorism? Saddam was there for a while, thanks to your CIA services.

About state terrorism, it's nothing new, it is how your recent ADM country thrive... http://www.intellnet.org/resources/a...yofTerror.html

Violence begets violence

Listening to french CBC news, they even keep mentionning that it is a civil war right now in Iraq.

well, here's the lead up to the big drop.. by the thickness of the rope, they were making sure it wasn't going to break ;)

Hi Gaz,

I can't link to it but I'm sure our 'Proud Canadian Quebecer' will be glad to provide us a link and gleefully point it out as another one of America's F-ups.

No worries Nic, here's another if you're interested.. (pretty crappy camera phone effort, but it shows the whole thing.)

She's too busy praying, no doubt to allah; french surrender monkey you know.

:D :D :D

Makes you wonder why it wasn't shot in HDTV quality or hell, IMAX version!

no killing no porn
 

disgusted i am that is was posted on a forum I have been on for 6 years.

discussion is good but the TOS rules still apply .

dont even know how to ened this post

mb another tea :hflag:

Direct that toward the thread OP.

Our TOS

omb, There are no openly graphic pictures uploaded on our server that you are confronted with when you open this thread.

The links provided do not go to pages containing porn or advertised porn.

The video is topical and can now be found on news channels and all over the internet, it's no secret to most of us.

-gaz

The OP just replied ;)

No worse than Nick Berg being posted some 2 years ago...

I hear that most muslims take it as an insult according to al Jazeera... Saddam was hagned on the same day that the christians consider the good friday.

According to this muslim holiday, the march to mecca equals the march abraham undertook in order to kill his son as commended by god. In a lot of ppl eyes, Saddam is already considered a martyr. Some as much as some ppl do still believe that Elvis is still alive, same will go with saddam if it's not already the case.

oh boy i dont remember posting last night.

New Years came a lil early .

My eyes are swollen and my head hurts .

:beer:

Note to self ....no posts when hammered

since the sole video (so far) shows sadaam only dropping out of camera frame, it isn't going to do much to assuage conspiracy speculation. as the execution video of record it's anything but.

had the iraqis wanted they could have avoided adding to a lot of future speculation by simply recording and releasing the full event. for whatever strange reason known only to them they haven't. perhaps they will and they may have to because as it stands now, no one looking at that video alone can say for certain what really happened.

when even the burial site is suspect (the nyt calls it the "reported" grave of sadaam) the air surrounding this critical moment in middle eastern history is thick with fakery. perhaps that was intentional, to dampen violence from loyalists with hope their ultimate leader still lives. otherwise it's sheer stupidity.

- js.

No.

In Western Christianity Good Friday occurs between March 20 and April 23. It is the Friday that preceeds Easter Sunday. Good Friday commemorates the crucifixion of Jesus, God's son sacrificed so that the sins of mortals be absolved.

The exact date of the crucifixion of Jesus is not known and can not be accurately calculated from information in the Scriptures.

In 2006, Good Friday occurred on April 14. In 2007 it will be on April 6.

There is no Western religious significance to the day of Saddam's execution.

There is religious significance to the day for Muslims. It involves the test of Abraham by God.


Added in Edit:

I'll have to agree that the video is far less than expected. One would think that if they wanted to video an execution of that magnitude, they had better means available than they used.

You do see the rope go taught when Saddam drops. We do see in news photos what certainly appears to be a dead Saddam.

They probably are being vague about his grave site in order to prevent it from being disturbed. As we know, lots of Iraqis hated Saddam. I would not describe it as "thick with fakery" unless fakery is shown or proven.

It may have just been haste. They were obviously anxious to carry out the execution, and had faced a number of delays. They may have feared additional delays and/or disruption of the execution by sectarian violence. They also wanted the execution to coincide with a religious holiday. When the opportunity arose, they hastily carried out the execution.

At least the length of fall was apparently calculated properly, according to the witness accounts Saddam was instantly killed.

but those are the most fun! keep ‘em coming omb. :tu:

:drinkers: nappy yoo hear! :drinkers:

- js.

U would enjoy that?

it was shot in HD

Saddam's execution continues to disintigrate into the latest in a seemingly endless series of political and tactical blunders by the US occupation. From Pat Lang:

So it has come to this. People are defending and even applauding Saddam's crimes against humanity, against millions of his own countrymen, because of our own president's poor popularity. People don't get much more petty than this.

really? where?

From the Pat Lang link you posted:

i'm not sure where you get the tie-in to Bush's popularity, but at any rate...

Saddam's methods worked in Iraq - our methods do not. both methods get a lot of people killed. in the aggregate, weighing all quality-of-life metrics, Saddam would appear to have been the more successful leader.

We still have, more than ever I suppose, the kind of people who prefer the tranquility of servitude over the contest for freedom.



Do you still have your AOL account knife? :EL2:

perhaps iraqis might prefer electricity, water, and basic security at this point, no?

Hey, would it ok if I changed the last word in your post to KILLER?

The shithead killed hundreds of thousands. To be accurate the prick killed millions if you include all of his enemies and all of his countrymen.

Then all they'd have to do is surrender to the rule of the terrorists/insurgents/saboteurs that are destroying their infrastructure.

But they don't.


Maybe you need to go over there and talk some liberal sense into them.

-Explain the convenience of being a gutless ass kisser.

isn't that like Bush-speak, circa 2004? perhaps you haven't heard about the civil war - shall i provide you with links, you know, to bring you up to speed?

No, it's my-speak, circa today. And sure, bring me up to speed - Who's head of the opposing government in this "civil war", and what territory to they govern?


And wtf does it have to do with water and electricity?

well, no wonder you're confused about civil war - you're not familiar with the defnition:

Once again, name the political factions or regions that are having this "civil war".


When only one government has control of a country and other factions are attempting to overthrow it, it's called an insurgency.

:applause:

Perhaps it will now pull its little pointed head out of its little semantic ostrich hole long enough to be so gracious as to tell us which one government it's currently pretending has control of Iraq.

Sorry, I'm stretching here a bit, but it seems that the less popular Bush gets the more people long for the tranquility of servitude mentioned above (or else the illusion of it from our point of view) that Saddam imposed. Perhaps the correlation is indirect and I'm out of line bringing it up, but there's no doubt such a correlation exists. People implicitly declare Bush a fool when suggesting that Hussein governed his people wisely by comparison. Such assessments are mostly close-minded, knee-jerk reactions from what I can tell; how else could people so blithely excuse the evil actions of Hussein and his government? Saddam could only look like a good leader to the kind of people who might consider any elected American president his moral equivalent.

Wouldn't we all?

They're nice to have after all, and nicer still for the government to provide them to us. But since when have government-mandated services been necessary for survival, or even for comfort? People are perfectly capable of living their own lives and deciding their own level of comfort if you give them half a chance. The vast majority of Iraqis are noncombatants who want nothing to do with the civil war/insurgency (whichever you prefer to call it) nor the ideologies that lead to such. If they hadn't been forced into this situation perhaps they wouldn't lament it so. And they may yet find their own solutions.

If they're willing to help themselves then they deserve our support, and whatever we can do to keep the situation from deteriorating further, we're obligated to do. They're human beings after all, they deserve the chance to earn for themselves the things we've earned for ourselves. In order to give them that chance people must believe that they're actually capable of bettering themselves, and that notion is all too rare these days. What people need more than electricity, water, and basic security is to be treated as adults.

at the end of the day, it doesn't really matter how lofty your intentions are, how noble is your cause, how stirring your slogans are, if all you do is get a bunch of people killed. and since that really all Bush has done in Iraq, than he shares a special place with Saddam.

Well....
"lofty intentions", "noble cause", "stirring slogans", and a heavy dose of killing made the United States a country.

The deaths of many thousands gave and maintain the freedom of speech and other rights you have. Some still believe the sacrifices of our forefathers meant something and appreciate what they died to accomplish.

What is happening in Iraq right now is a good example of how hard freedom is to gain and how easy it is to lose.

BUT MY GOD THEY'RE GOING WITHOUT WATER AND ELECTRICITY!


It's enough to make whining liberals long for Saddam's brutal rule.





If they weren't all over here that is.

apples and oranges, drak - what's happening in Iraq is not even remotely comparable to the American experience. the iraqis didn't askfor this situation - they had it imposed upon them by an occupying army that the vast majority of them wish would leave. our forefathers weren't locked into tribal warfare with each other - they were smart to know they would have to put their national ambitions above local loyalties in order to build a country. the iraqis are not willing to do that - there is nothing we can do for them until they are ready to do so.

Well be sure to let your local police know that if your neighbors start killing your kids and blowing up your house, there's nothing they can do about it and you just wish they'd leave.

sadaam is now a martyr to many, and that dangerous sentiment is spreading rapidly across the arab world. reports say the previous anger directed at sadaam for his murderous reign has been largely forgiven. instead in this disastrous turn of events they are now aiming their rage against both the "puppet" government in iraq and the united states - specifically because of the guard's humiliation of sadaam and his perceived strength of character displayed standing up to them at his execution.

- js.


"His public image in the Arab world, formerly that of a convicted dictator, has undergone a resurgence of admiration and awe.

On the streets, in newspapers and over the Internet, Mr. Hussein has emerged as a Sunni Arab hero who stood calm and composed as his Shiite executioners tormented and abused him.

In Morocco and the Palestinian territories, demonstrators held aloft photographs of Mr. Hussein and condemned the United States.

In Libya a statue depicting Mr. Hussein in the gallows would be erected.

By standing up to the United States and its client government in Baghdad and dying with seeming dignity, Mr. Hussein appears to have been virtually cleansed of his past.

'God damn America and its spies,' a banner across one major Beirut thoroughfare read. 'Our condolences to the nation for the assassination of Saddam, and victory to the Iraqi resistance.'"

Article

ahahaha..what a fucking balls up
good work !

this is how history will remember this BS war
what an added embarrasment for those that blindly supported it

The NeoCon Aftermath

India's 'Saddam Hussein' Village
Amarnath Tewary

It is a typical nondescript village - like many others - in the northern Indian state of Bihar.

It consists of unplastered brick houses, dusty lanes, thatched structures and dirt-laden children with no shoes and running noses.

There appears to be little running water or other infrastructure.

But there is one thing about the village of Lakhanow - and other settlements in the area - that makes them strikingly different.

Sunni Muslims

Ejaj Alam - a small-time civil contractor in his mid-30s - provides the answer: he has decided to re-name his three-year-old son.

Instead of being called Majhar Alam, Mr Alam has opted to call the boy Saddam Hussein in honour of the former Iraqi leader who was executed on 30 December.

What is more, the child will not be the only Saddam Hussein in the neighbourhood. There are more than 20 other Saddam Husseins in Lakhanow alone.

Local people say there are more than 100 Saddam Husseins in 27 adjoining villages dominated by mostly Sunni Muslims.

There is even a family with one son called Saddam Hussein and a younger sibling called Osama Bin Laden.

Perhaps it is no coincidence that all the children bearing the name of Saddam Hussein were born after the first American war with Iraq in 1991.

Before the war, the name Saddam Hussein was hardly used at all, says Mohammed Nizamuddin, whose grandson was born in 1991 and is called Saddam Hussein.

'Miscalculations'

And, now after the recent high-profile and much photographed execution of the Iraqi leader, the villagers of Lakhanow have decided to name all the new born baby boys after him.

"This is our way to pay tribute to our leader. We want to carry on his legacy here at least in our village," said Ejaj Alam.

"God willing one day our village will be full of Saddam Husseins."

Other villagers feel equally passionate about the issue.

"George Bush can hang one Saddam Hussein but we will create an army of Saddam Husseins. Let him come to our village and see how Saddam Hussein can never be executed," local leader Ayub Khan said.

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reminds me of this

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...63490032584407