The Illegal Immigration thing
I dont mind mexican people. I also understand why most want to be here. But there are always some agitators like the Aztlan movement, they want to take over the SW U.S.
When I see the people protesting for rights and waving a Mexican flag it is kind of Oxy-moronic eh? If your here and want to have the rights of a US citizen then why are they flying the flag of the country they just left? The border can be patroled and or closed very easily if they wanted it to be. The Minuteman Project prooved that. Yet our govt does nothing to stop it, and the people that try to stop it are called vigilantes by our President. WTF? |
What makes you think the government wants to stop the border crossings?
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It's cheap labor for the businesspeople who contribute the money that gets both Republicans and Democrats elected. Now that elections are coming you see some pretensions of stopping illegal immigration but it's practically guaranteed to be worthless gestures. I've thought before of brushing up on my spanish and dying my hair black to get one of those jobs without all the fucking taxes and deductions for everyone and everything. It's become a major pain for employees as well as employers; all the fucking lawyers and bureaucrats involved in everything. |
Those peeps have read too much Gary Jennings IMO
Aztlan is as mythical as Atlantis or the island of Mû. We've heard about them but never found them. According to their Aztec legend, before Spain invaded, it was said that the Aztec population came from the Island? of Aztlan but left to find new territory. It was said that they would know where to stop when they would see an eagle perched on a cactus holding in it's claw a serpent, Tenochtitlan (Mexico City). They then settled on the island and started to flurish as a civilisation by conquerring neighboring tribes. Deal was, you will be protected and be part of the Aztec nation as long as you pay a yearly tribute to them, fail to comply, it's off to the slave market. No wonder Cortez had little trouble conquerring them, he promised the surrounding tribes freedom if they helped him and his conquistador to subdo the hated Aztecs. Those students are deluding themselves if they think they can lay claim on Aztlan, First, it would need to be found and second, I'm sure that the Comanche, Hopi, Apache, Shoshone would beg to differ that it's not Aztec/Mexican land and never was. |
I think Tom Friedman said it best - We need a very tall wall with a very wide gate.
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it's pretty amazing, actually - the birth of a political movement virtually overnight. from the NYT:
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obviously the illegals are a critical part of the economy - i can see that in my own neighborhood. i think they should apply the Cuba rule - seal the borders, but if you're already here or can make it in, you can stay. |
Just because you haven't noticed it before doesn't mean it's just been born knife.
Note how they're so open about their intentions to fraudulently vote. I guess the unwillingness of the government to enforce immigration law has bred complete contempt for any law. What wonderful citizens they'll make. |
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edit: my mistake - Jose was the first Orange County CA soldier killed. another Jose was the first soldier killed in Iraq: Quote:
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Anyone can vote if they have the right counterfeited documents. All the illegal immigrants have created a booming counterfeiting industry that terrorists have tapped into to help them accomplish their murders.
As usual, seditious factions of the government have prevented a solution. |
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the first WTC bombing perhaps.. Washington sniper ? Quote:
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Oh no, theknife's "great citizens" are being rounded up and deported!
1,187 illegal immigrant workers and 7 of their exploiters arrested. Quote:
The 7 Houston-based IFCO Systems North America Inc. supervisors could face a maximum 10-year prison sentence and a fine of up to $250,000 for each alien for conspiring to transport and harbor illegal aliens for commercial and financial gain. Robert Belvin, 43, Clifton Park, N.Y. Abelino "Lino" Chicas, 40, Houston James Rice, 36, Houston William "Billy" Hoskins, 29, Cincinnati Michael Ames, 44, Shrewsbury, Mass Dario Salzano, 36, Amsterdam, N.Y. Scott Dodge, 43, of Amsterdam I wonder if the illegal immigrant community will rally to support their benefactors with generous contributions to a defense fund? Not likely. They're in the U.S. to take, not to give. |
The United States of America was founded by immigrants. That being the case, one could argue that the foundation of the USA is immigration. At the very least, immigration is a profoundly important part of our society.
The problem is not with the people that are coming to america, the problem is with a system that has broken down to the point that it has failed them. I do not see the solutions to America's immigration woe's in attacking the immigrants. I believe the solution is in stricter and stronger laws against the people that profit from the opression of immigrants. Slumlords that 'turn a blind eye' to 15 and 20 people sharing a single bedroom living space need to be held accountable. Companies that employ immigrant labor for unreported cash wages need to be held accounatble. 'People smuggling' orginazations that dump unprepared and ill informed people on american shores need to be held accountable. More than any of the above, the United States Department of Immigration and Naturalization needs to be held accountable for a system that has convoluted itself so much that legal immigration is an impossibility for some despite years or even decades of vigilante attempts. The borders are not the problem. What happens to millions of immigrants once they cross the border is the problem. If these willing spirits were embraced rather than greeted with hostility and bureaucracy, there would be far fewer people working for sub standard wages only to send the money out of the country to support a family they can not bring here. Peace out, dumwaldo |
What about the illegal immigrants who use faked-up documents to register to vote, or who recieve food stamps and welfare? What about illegal immigrants who break laws then flee to Mexico for asylum? Are these people not also part of the problem?
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The system isn't "broken" like all the worthless politicians say, the government is. It won't enforce its own laws because of its corruption.
The illegals wouldn't come to the U.S. if it weren't for employers eager to hire them for substandard wages and unsafe working conditions that the government agencies turn a blind eye to. Or for the free(to them) health care, education, welfare benefits, and automatic citizenship to U.S. born children. My libertarian views are that anyone should be free to go where they want and do what they want within reason, but taking from others should be forbidden. A century ago immigrants paid their own way and worked their way up the income ladder and made the country better but now illegal immigrants take, with the help of the corrupt government, many things that american citizens have paid for; medical care, education, housing, food, the justice system, etc. They're a burden that the U.S. would be better without. |
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The examples offered are an exageration of a very minute minority. I am confident in saying there are more american born people defrauding public agencies than there are illegal aliens. A century ago imigrants came to this country and found citizenship in a matter of days. Currently a potential citizen has a minimum wait time of at least 7 years. A century ago imigrants came to america with nothing but a desire to be american and they were granted citizenship. Currently an individual needs a purpose greater than personal enrichment as well as someone who will offer 'sponsorship'. Please do not take this as any type of personal attack or insult but comparing immigration of a century ago with the current disgracefull state of immigration is simply ignorant. I still maintain the immigrants are not the problem, the hostility displayed by american people and politicians is the problem. Maybe we should just give the reins back to the native americans and they can kick us all out of THEIR country. |
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No one is "attacking immigrants", but people are rightfully attacking illegal lawbreakers that flaunt their ability to circumvent our borders. So lets break it down since you seem to be confused: immigrant = good illegal immigrant = bad Also your "solution" is a joke. "Hey Juan we can't hop the border, the man that will hire us will get in trouble!" Yeah, that will surely solve the illegal immigration problem! :RE: American laws haven't stopped them yet, why do you think cracking down on Americans will somehow stop Mexicans from coming here illegally? |
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