What a horrible time for our economy
 

Our shitty economy, the lynchpin of our idiot conservative agenda.

Bush's legacy: Ever rising gas prices, foreclosures skyrocketing, food prices through the roof, etc. blah blah.......

Keep your oil buddies happy bush. Keep the mortgage lenders and speculators happy bush. Keep your fucking ethanol and shove it up your ass bush. Oh, you too Albed.:CG:

So how's it hurting you?

And what are you doing to adjust?

Tough times don't last; tough people do...and whiners apparently.

You don't need to vote for change now because it's already here.

Aye, Albed supports 'tough luck' economics. That's where when someone can't afford to drive to work any more you just say 'tough luck' - walk to work. And when a child gets sick you say 'tough luck' - you shouldn't have had any children. And when the factory you work in closes you say 'tough luck' - get a job. And when their house goes to auction due to foreclosure you say 'tough luck' - and put in a bid that's 20% of the value. And when a bank over-extends itself you say 'aww poor bank' - and bail it out, especially if the board are all your friends and you have investments in it.

Damn but isn't the Bust, erm I mean Bush, economic program just GREAT?! Welcome to Albed's United 'Fuck You' States Of America! Woo hoo! Money to be made in misery baby! Money to be MADE!


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The easy life is over. While watching your child die of an illness you can't afford to have treated, think of the all money you blew on booze, drugs, cigarettes, junk food, etc. that could have saved its life and blame yourself instead of trying to blame everyone else.


And when you can't get a well paying job think about all the times you jacked off in school instead of studying hard and getting good grades and blame yourself for your uselessness to employers.


Survival of the fittest has always been natures way for life on this planet and the time is coming when you're going to have to learn your true worth.

In the other thread I hoped you don't get a major illness, I take that back. I hope do get sick and lose everything as I don't think you'll learn any other way.

Only a Republican can bail out a bank and tell a young family they are on their own. That's not America, and it's not how this country will be run come November.


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In my family we take care of our own, except for the lazy sleazebags who go through life in alcohol and drug induced stupors looking for handouts. Yeah we have them and if we don't wast our resources on them we sure as hell won't do it for unrelated sleazebags no matter how much time they spend on the internet whining.

And I'll face my own hardships like a man instead of like a whining loser who thinks the world owes him everything he needs no matter how worthless he is.

Aye, you say that now, but you'd have a different story if it happened to you. People do the right things and make all the right decisions and then a child get leukemia and they lose it all and what do you have for them? Nothing, same as your party.

10 billion a month to Iraq? No problem. That's a 'handout' you can get behind.


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I thought conservatives hated change?

I have to laugh at you bub....you continually complain about 'whiners'. Have you stopped to think for just a second that you 'whine' about all the so called losers and liberals in most of your posts here.

So I guess that makes you the biggest 'whiner' of them all.

Oh and..here's a pink elephant for ya....:PE:

And you get back on top by whining about my whining about whiners. There's no keeping you down, is there?




Iraq isn't a handout, it's an endeavor to make the mideast more modern, free and peaceful. In a well functioning society people help their neighbors instead of relying on a distant and unresponsive government; in Iraqi society people would fight their neighbors and their government and their government would oppress them, rob them, and try to conquer more people. Reforming that will improve life for millions and eventually for the whole world.

Well bless our little cotton socks. Gosh but aren't we just the swellest!


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right- social engineering on a global scale, brought to you by the party who doesn't believe in "nation buiding". it's a pity that, like the rest of the borrow-&-spend wingnuts, you're not willing to actually pay for your grand experiment with your tax dollars.

I don't really have a choice but if my money is going to be stolen and spent by the government I'd rather it be spent on that sort of thing instead of supporting worthless parasites and their families.


And if liberals could think rationally they'd realize that if the government would let it's citizens keep and spend their own money they wouldn't have to worry about it going to projects they oppose.


But show me a liberal that can think rationally.

Oh aye, like McBush. Except he's only interested in letting those who have plenty of money keep it. And at who's cost? Why, those who don't have plenty of it, naturally.

McBush is a modern day Robin Hood: taking from the poor and giving to the rich. What a nice fellow.


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You don't really mean that do you?
Your kidding with us.:KSY:


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atm, the choice for Prez is obvious: Obama wants to end the war in Iraq, McCain wants to continue it indefinitely. the rest is just details.

The war is a non-issue to all but a few Americans, knife. Though we all talk about it, few of us actually have to deal with it personally. Politicians only talk about the war in order to divide people. It's working; we're well and truly divided on the issue. But what has that accomplished?

Obama won't end the war, he can't, so he's no different than McCain in that respect. Since the prospective Democrat nominees are no longer competing to promise the soonest end to the war we can focus on Obama's more realistic campaign promises. He'll still argue with McCain about the war, but only to turn our attentions away from issues that might make voters less decisive. If you took away this one issue then the only obvious difference between those two politicians would be their skin colors.

They'll try to use the economy to divide us too, but the difference is that the economy affects us all. We really can't afford to be divided on that issue, and one of the two candidates will have a better head for numbers and he'll be the man we should all vote for. As for Iraq, get used to thinking of it as an other Afghanistan 'cause, no matter who gets elected, a year from now that's how the media and the better part of congress will be treating it.

Ever notice how albed and jcmd always sound so angry and bitter? Like they're clinging to their guns and religion? :BL:

Come November your worst nightmare: a Buckwheat in the White House :D OH NO SPANKIE! HAHAHA!


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atm, Its clear that Obamas plan to pull the political wool over the eyes of the ignorant is working. So many people like you knife are falling for the "I want to, therefore I can" bullshit obama is spewing forth every chance he gets. Want in one hand and shit in the other and see which one fills up first.

Fact is what obama wants to do and can do are entirely different. He won't end the Iraq war and can't as Mazer properly pointed out. Even if obama lasts 8 years we will still be in Iraq when his term ends. So go ahead and base your vote decision on your ignorance of presidential limitations and what some inexperienced, unknown politician says he WANTS to do instead of what he actually can do. Obama is counting on people like you to focus on the war, something he can do nothing about, and not on the real issues that ARE going to affect you like his major tax increase he will impose the minute he takes office, something he can and will do.

Not that Im a big McCain fan but he never said he wants the war to continue indefinitely. He said we COULD be there for 100 years, not that he WANTS the war to continue. Not the best choice of words but at least he spoke the truth and reality of the situation in the middle east which is rare for a politician.

Okay, so run through the issues and how you feel the candidates stand on them. Oh, and try to do so without the insults. I know you feel it makes you 'win' the conversation, but it doesn't.

Can you have a reasoned debate on the stance of the candidates on the issues?


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actually, the war consistently polls as the second most important issue to voters, behind the economy.

you miss the point, laddie - McCain will continue the Bush policies and is on record as being in favor of a permanent Iraqi occupation ( which include 58 permament military bases in Iraq)... whereas Obama has expressly declared no permanent bases in Iraq. so the intent of each candidate is clear and the differences could not be sharper. since Obama was smart enough to foresee the Iraqi trainwreck coming in the first place, he has already demonstrated superior judgement in this area. he obviously has the will, and as Prez, he will also have the power, to end the military occupation of Iraq .

Didn't the democratic congressional candidates say they wanted to end that war too?

And what did you learn?

You're so willing to swallow any shit at all you should have been sent to the ISS to replace that broken toilet.

But you spew shit out too with your lies about McCain "wanting" to continue the war.

You're too worthless to even serve as a shit collector.






And - AWWWW; the lying, "McBush" squawking, scumbag doesn't like insults. Isn't he special.

Aww, Albed insults people because he can't debate the issues.


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I've already explained what debating with a liar is like, and unlike you, the smell of shit doesn't appeal to me.

c'mon, you're a Bushie, you've been swallowing shit for eight years. clearly, you've developed a taste for it :p

Back to those issues. Notice how McBush changes his tune depending on who he's standing in front of? His latest? That he supports Bill Clinton's Supreme Court appointments of Ginsberg and Breyer? Who'd he say it to? Hillary Clinton supporters.

An unusual stance for someone who wants to overturn Roe. How do you know who/what you're voting for with him? Is there an internal memo? How many of the issues has he changed his position on now? that's easy: all of them.


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He didn't get to be a senator by telling people things they don't like hearing, diego. He's a politician like his opponent. We'll be seeing more of this from both men in the coming months, and here's the reason: getting nominated is a matter of appealing to the extremists in one's party while getting elected is a matter of appealing to the center. It's an anomaly of the two party system so I can hardly blame the candidates for adapting their platforms to the fickle whims of voters. The trick will be to make their flip flopping look like personal growth and not like pandering, and given Obama's perceived inexperience it will be easier for him to get away with it.

You're holding McCain to a higher standard than Obama, whether you realize it or not.

Not at all. McCain has changed his stances on the issues, Obama has not. 'Everyone does it' is a cop-out. You know damn well that should Obama change his stance the GOP would have it all over the press. And so all they can do is down-play McCain's flip-flops.

The supposed 'maverick' of the Republican party, forging his own way, he has repeatedly reversed long-held positions and compromised what he has called his core principles. Then he's denied doing it. Then he's denied denying it.

What happened to his stance on campaign reform? What happened to his stance on torture? Special interests? Lobbyists? Off-shore drilling? Immigration reform? Gay marriage? Bush's tax-cuts? Ethanol? Surveillance of the American public? Telco immunity? Gun control? The mortgage crisis? Social security? The list goes on and on.

I'll use Social Security 'privatization' as an example.

John McCain, last week: "But I'm not for, quote, 'privatizing' Social Security. I never have been, I never will be."

John McCain in 2004: "Without privatization, I don't see how you can possibly, over time, make sure that young Americans are able to receive Social Security benefits." [C-Span Road to the White House, 11/18/2004]

John McCain in March: "As part of Social Security reform, I believe that private savings accounts are a part of it - along the lines of what President Bush proposed. I campaigned in support of President Bush's proposal and I campaigned with him, and I did town hall meetings with him." [Wall Street Journal, 3/3/08]

Which one is the 'straight-talk'? You would be hard pressed to name an issues he hasn't pandered on, then lied about pandering on, then lied about lying about pandering on. To be honest, you can't tell who he is or what he believes, but you can tell it would be a presidency governed by whomever he feels he has to please at the moment.


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So I take it you don't perceive his changes in attitude as personal growth. That's okay. For myself I don't expect either candidate to stick to the promises they made before they got nominated. You may call it pandering if you like, I call it the defining characteristic of all politicians.

Not all ;)


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jcmd and albed: the deliverance boys...

Just a couple more pathetic excuses for shitbags that call themselves human.

They would be better off as the communists they really are....:KA: :CG: :B: :scared:

Squeal like a pig, boy.









Ooops, you've been doing that for a loooong time already.

[quote=albed;262130]Squeal like a pig, boy.

That's your job, Ned.

JCMD,

Guess what? We will have a black president.

I see that pisses you off to no end, you bigoted bonehead. HAHAHA!!!!

You ugly piece of dogshit.

I agree
 

It really is time for a change

helter skelter to all the pol's

I've always known your ability to discuss issues to be hampered by your ignorance of those same issues, and your seeming inability to talk to someone without your questionable upbringing shining through, but I didn't know that ignorance extended to your grasp of the English language.

Refine: to make more fine, subtle, or precise. To make fine distinctions in thought or language: improve, perfect, polish, temper, elevate, hone.

Reverse: opposite or contrary in position, direction, order, or character

A post on HiffPo covers it best, and so I'll quote it for you.


McCain has always supported our invasion and the continued occupation of Iraq and sees no problem with our troops remaining in Iraq at the tune of $10,000,000,000 a month. This for a fiscal conservative?

Obama, and a large majority of the American people, believe we should have remained focused on Afghanistan and that Iraq was a mistake then and is a mistake now. His stated position, which has not changed, is that we need to get our troops out of Iraq and return our attention to eliminating the Taliban and al-Qaeda.

If you don't believe the Iraq invasion, or that our spending 10 bullion dollars a month there now, are mistakes then I question your judgment as much as I question McCains. Why are we spending 10 billion dollars a month on a country which is sitting on untold billions of barrels of oil? Why are they not paying it themselves? Why are we spending so much there, while cupping the budget for schools here?

What the hell is wrong with the Conservatives and can they even be called 'conservative' any more? Or is it that they are only conservative when it comes to spending on Americans and are liberal when spending on their businesses and those of their associates?

"We're going to try this again. Apparently I wasn't clear enough this morning on my position with respect to the war in Iraq.

Let me be as clear as I can be: I intend to end this war.

My first day in office I will bring the Joint Chiefs of Staff in and I will give them a new mission, and that is to end this war -- responsibly, deliberately but decisively.

This is the same position I that had four months ago. It's the same position that I had eight months ago. It's the same position that I had 12 months ago."

- Obama

well, the answer to that question should be clear as a fucking bell at this point: so we can control thier oil. all the rest of that "freedom is on the march" and "spreading democracy" bullshit were fairy tales and window dressing to sell this train wreck to feebleminded neocon Bushbots.

edit: and btw, Obama is distinctly juking right, imo, no doubt to broaden his appeal for the GE. his recent comments on Iraq as well his disinclination to hold the line on the FISA bill and telecom immunity are not encouraging. it's a shame coz he really doesn't have to water down his brand to carry this election - apparently, he thinks otherwise.

Aye, no-bid contracts given to only Western oil companies and, surprise surprise, a no-bid contract given to Halliburton for firefighting in Iraq.

More of the same 'you lick my ass I'll lick yours' we've come to expect.


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Ooooh, so it's an "intention" instead of a "pledge". That's so much more.....


worthless.




Well this sounds like a replacement pledge. Let's see how long before it becomes another "intention".




Yeah, yeah but the poor suckers can only hear what you say, not what "position" you secretly hold.




Enjoy your new status of Obama bitchhood.

Now bend over.

You're so uninformed that I'm often surprised you even know the names of the candidates.

Nice to see PA is going blue :) Also nice to see that Jesse Helms finially got his first class ticket to hell.


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This isn't his first rodeo, he knows he needs to move to the middle in order to get elected.

Ah come on now Mazer, tell him nobody's going to change their vote based on Obama's weaseling out on his pledges and promises.

no, i don't think he does - not this election cycle. the GOP brand is so badly trashed at this point (or, as Virginia GOP Congressman Tom Davis puts it: "if we were dog food, they would take us off the shelf"), and Democratic voter ID is so high, that he could stick to his guns and still get elected. of course, he'll play it safe and shift center-right, but i don't think he necessarily has to, at least not this time around.

In a major shift in policy today, Barack Obama, who has vowed all election season to have a salad instead ordered a large bowl of lettuce along with tomato slices, cucumbers, carrot shavings, a hard boiled egg, with cut up pieces of ham, salami and cheese.

The Republican party understandably jumped on this shocking change in strategy!

Then he can stop campaigning, can't he? He's already clinched the Democratic nomination, now all he has to do is sit back and wait until January 20th. Of course, he won't, apparently he knows something you don't.

not quite, you've got it backwards: apparently, i know something he doesn't. :W:

Win a lot of elections in your day knife?

If Obama's flip-flops start negatively affecting poll results he'll certainly flop-flip back to your preferred tunes; but since he has all your lips firmly locked to his ass now your opinions mean nothing and he's gone looking for new listeners.

I notice you constantly talk of Obama's 'flip-flops' and yet never say what they are, or why you think they are 'flip-flops', and you never mention McCain's 'flop-flops'; why is that?

Oh, and the term 'flop-flop' itself isn't actually a term, it's a 'meme' invented by the GOP.

McCain has reversed his stance on every one of his purported 'core issues' and his 'Straight talk Express' has become the 'Bullshit Express'. I challenge you to find any issues which McCain hasn't, in your terms, 'flip-flopped' on.


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I take that as a 'no' on all fronts then?

No, you don't know the issues. No, you don't know who has changed from what they said before to what they say now. No, you don't care that average incomes have dropped while average profits are up. No, you haven't noticed that the stock markets have dropped 400 points on 2000 totals. No, you can't be bothered to see for yourself what has been going on in your name by a government hell-bent on building trillion-dollar deficits of debt to Saudi Arabia and China.

That's okay, Bush has taught you that you need not expose yourself needlessly to the truth in matters which effect you. It will all be just fine, the GOP is looking out for your best interests and knows better than you what those are..


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It isn't that Obama flip-flops, he's actually been rather consistent in his short political career. But when situations arise in which he must change or face ridicule, he's very good at spinning the situation to make his calculated political maneuvers look like self improvement. Take the Reverend Wright story for example. Obama never actually repudiated Wright for his racist sermons, instead he used the hypothetical article 'if' to describe situations that would make him embarrassed to be associated with that bigot. His association with Wright hasn't changed in any way, but Obama has successfully quashed all the negative connotations of that association. To observers it looks like he has changed, but he manages to maintain his image of consistency while undergoing those changes, something few politicians can pull off. Obama's true strength is accentuating the positive sides of his inconsistencies. He is, in fact, a new breed of politician, one who is able to pander without looking like he's pandering. I wonder if our government would be better or worse off if more politicians were like him.

We've heard much worse than Wright from white religious assholes and no one has condemned them. We've heard worse from helms and he was in government.

Obama faces the same BS the GOP always puts out: if you don't adjust you're stuck in your ways and if you do then you're a 'flip-flopper'. While at the same time their candidate does what he likes.

Not only that, but the GOP likes to accuse their rivals of that which they are about to do. Clark goes on the news praising McCain's military service and calling him a hero then he disagrees with the interviewer that McCain being shot down is an instant qualification to be president and so the GOP accuse him of slandering McCain's military career, which he didn't, by slandering Clark's military career. And the media ate it up.

Ever notice how the McCain camp claims that Obama has the media wrapped around his finger, while they have the media wrapped around McCain's finger? Even the AP is now pushing McCain's talking points. It's pathetic.


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Of course, by deconstructing Obama's political strategies I'm not suggesting that his opponents don't also dance the dance. It isn't necessary for you to point out McCain's flaws, I see them too and I don't like them either. I haven't decided who to vote for yet so you can end the lecturing for now.

I've noticed that the media has the candidates wrapped around its finger. Nobody gets elected in this country without media exposure so McCain and Obama both are at the beckon call of program directors and chief editors in all the news rooms across the nation. Some politicians make the best of it while others struggle with it.

I didn't realize I was lecturing, I thought we were having a discussion?


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Maybe you haven't noticed the pattern, but I have. Every time someone says something about Obama that isn't praise, you say something about McCain to condemn him. I haven't been comparing Obama to McCain but you respond to me as if I have. It's a little annoying.

Isn't that the nature of conversation? Comparing the candidates is what I like to do, and I dislike the GOP for several reasons. I used to vote Republican, but after Homeland Security, Patriot Act I & II, invasion of Iraq, etc, etc, I can't support them any longer.

If I'm ramming Obama down your throat then my apologies m8. wasn't my intention though I see now I prolly was.


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