A "WAR" President???
George W. Bush likes to call himself a "war" president. I know that because in his "Meet the Press" interview with Tim Russert he repeatedly referred to himself as a "war" president. Let us not forget he became a "war" president by choice not necessity, unless you consider the necessity of needing a war to be reelected. In Ron Suskind's book THE PRICE OF LOYALTY: George W. Bush, the White House and the Education of Paul O'Neill, the former Secretary of the Treasury claims that the Bush Administration talked of a war with Iraq just days of taking office and long before 9-11. Whether a war with Iraq was to help in his reelection, a personal feud for Saddam's attempts to have his daddy assassinated, for oil or all of the above, there is no escaping the fact that Bush is a "war" president by choice not by necessity. Recent facts that have come out tell of the CIA having no conclusion on Iraq's weapons of mass destruction and the Bush Administration using only intelligence that helped their cause, including misleading the country in Bush's State of the Union address and linking Saddam without any proof to the 9-11 terrorists. So every time I hear Bush call himself a "war" president, I think of the soldiers dying in Iraq when they didn't have to even be there. There was no imminent threat and no matter how some people try and justify the war by saying the Iraqi people are better off, I can't help and think of the American people that because of the war are NOT better off. The soldiers dying and those injured that shouldn't have even been there in the first place; the families that mourn the American dead and tend to the wounded soldiers and the complete waste of money to nation build Iraq after destroying their infrastructure. Now there is even less money for American families, American education, American infrastructure all because Bush has put the country into a huge debt to fight a nonexistent imminent threat in Iraq and be able to call himself a "war" president. It is a little self-righteous to proclaim himself a "war" president especially when he had a chance as a young man to participate in a war and instead chose the National Guard. There is something suspect about a self-proclaimed "war" president that chooses the National Guard for himself during Vietnam, in a time when the Guard rarely was sent to fight wars and as a "war" president that sends the Guard to fight and die all so he can call himself a "war" president...
There is also the little matter of whether the "war" president even fulfilled his duty to the National Guard during the Vietnam War. The White House has come out with documents that show during the Vietnam War while soldiers fought and died the future "war" president George W. Bush fulfilled his duty. We know this because they released paperwork showing he had a dental exam. What a hero this "war" president is, he went to the dentist. We all know how scary a trip to the dentist is. George W. Bush surely has the mettle to be a "war" president after all during the Vietnam War he got his teeth cleaned. I bet his rival Senator Kerry never stared down a dentist during the Vietnam War.... Another interesting fact about the future "war" president is he didn't finish his flight training nor did he take his flight physical. His defenders say that he was training on an F-102, which was being phased out and that he skipped the physical because he was no longer flying, could be or maybe he had drugs in his system. It just so happens that the future "war" president was being trained to fly an obsolete aircraft. What a coincidence that the congressman's son is trained on an aircraft that was being phased out. Maybe that is why he was trained on the F-102, so he wouldn't have to go to Vietnam. It seems that all the privileged joined the National Guard and some of them were lucky enough to train on obsolete aircrafts... There are a lot of things George W. Bush could have been. He could have been a fiscally responsible president but he isn't fiscally responsible. He could have been an education president but he hasn't funded education. He could have become a job president but more people have lost jobs under his watch then any president in modern history. He could have been a trustworthy president but his continued lies and deceit have proven him anything but trustworthy. He could have been a lot of things but unfortunately George W. Bush isn't very good at much. He became a "war" president because the only thing he was capable of doing was taking America to war... George W. Bush proclaims himself a "war" president but he didn't come up with an exit plan for the American troops in Iraq; he may be a "war" president but he's not a very good one... |
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and it's "war time" president you dumbfuck. |
Well, we're still waiting for Congress to declare war on anyone. How can Bush be a 'wartime president' if there's no war?
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i'm still laughing at the joke he told democrat (and fellow father of twins) bob kiss -
"I’ve been to war. I’ve raised twins. If I had a choice, I’d rather go to war." been to war? now that's a joke! :AP: - js. |
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technically the war in iraq is not a new war. it is merely a continuation of the gulf war.
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1. Successfully executed two wars in the aftermath of 9/11/01: Afghanistan and Iraq. 50 million people who had lived under tyrannical regimes now live in freedom. 2. Saddam Hussein is now in prison. His two murderous sons are dead. All but a handful of the regime's senior members were killed or captured. 3. Leader by leader and member by member, al Maida is being hunted down in dozens of countries around the world. Of the senior al Qaeda leaders, operational managers, and key facilitators the U.S. Government has been tracking, nearly two-thirds have been taken into custody or killed. The detentions or deaths of senior al Qaeda leaders, including Khalid Shaykh Muhammad, the mastermind of 9/11, and Muhammad Atef, Osama bin Laden's second-in-command until his death in late 2001, have been important in the War on Terror. 4. Disarmed Libya of its chemical, nuclear and biological WMD's without bribes or bloodshed. 5. Continues to execute the War On Terror, getting worldwide cooperation to track funds/terrorists. Has cut off much of the terrorists' funding, and captured or killed many key leaders of the al Qaeda network. 6. Initiated a comprehensive review of our military, which was completed just prior to 9/11/01, and which accurately reported that ASYMMETRICAL WARFARE capabilities were critical in the 21st Century. 7. Killed the old US/Soviet Union ABM Treaty that was preventing the U.S. from deploying our ABM defenses. 8. Has been one of the strongest, if not THE strongest friend Israel has ever had in the U.S. presidency. 9. Part of the coalition for an Israeli/Palestinian "Roadmap to Peace," along with Great Britain, Russia and the EU. 10. Pushed through THREE raises for our military. Increased military pay by more than $1 billion a year. 11. Signed the LARGEST nuclear arms reduction in world history with Russia. 12. Started withdrawing our troops from Bosnia, and has announced withdrawal of our troops from Germany and the Korean DMZ. 13. Prohibited putting U.S. troops under U.N. command. 14. Paid back UN dues only in return for reforms and reduction of U.S. share of the costs. 15. Earmarked at least 20 percent of the Defense procurement budget for next-generation weaponry. 16. Increased defense research and development spending by at least $20 billion from fiscal 2002 to 2006. 17. Ordered a comprehensive review of military weapons and strategy. 18. Ordered a review of overseas deployments. 19. Ordered renovation of military housing. The military has already upgraded about 10 percent of its inventory and expects to modernize 76,000 additional homes this year. 20. Is working to tighten restrictions on military-technology exports. 21. Brought back our EP-3 intel plane and crew from China without any bribes or bloodshed. 22. Told the Congress and the world, "America will never seek a permission slip to defend the security of our country." |
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And I am familiar with the War Powers Act. It is a uniquely American provision. |
scoob, the only fire bush's been under is a crack pipe.
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did you hear that one at your last bong party? |
bah you guys are full of carp..
look who spans calling a dumbfuck...take a look at yourself whinging loser..
cant you put very many intelligent words in together today..or something why dont you just start abusing people for nothing you poxy (whoo hoo! swear filter:) )?..you havent even the brain power to type anything decent..(unlike jc) scoobie your a bore..stfu..fucking proverbial broken record /mouthpeice.. george bush you morons is a threat to all people in the world..he should be made history and quick..its going to take a long time to fix the damage he has done ,not the terrorists or the islamic fundamentalists but him and his dodgy lowbrow administaration.... hes a fucking liar everybody know this.. and you dweebs just keep spouting the diahorea he shits backout of your asshole mouths.. you conservative snobs are just up your self...cant see blind ..blinkered its the same old thing left bad- left morons...blah blah...who the fuck are you trying to sell this shit to anyway? god i hope this stooge loses ths election so we cal hear you fucks moan for the next 4 years..lol if he wins oh well..nothing changes.. ah better not forget sinner ...you still sucking your own cock fool...? you think we believe a fucking word you say...dumb canadian sticking up for american right wing...you suck why dont you take a look too...you pricks are annoying...ok... but i swear you wont make me "hate " americans...but come fucking real close :f: :dir:VOTE 1 ! GEORGE NADER ha ha ha ha ha haa ha haa ha ha hes got a hope in hell but vote for him anyway... people with integrity just dont get into politics...its just not made to work that way..:N: PS .good post repo... |
lol, full of "carp"?
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have another drink. :drk: |
wow that didnt take you long sc00b..
your pathetic moanings on how bush is a good and just president...ffs give us a break.. besides whats the point in saying much you have an answer for everything... come on what about a total slagfest on george nader... his talk of winding down oil production.... oh right he is a stupid greenie..thinking of the planet the dumbfuck..ofcourse blah blah i guess...why waste time he has no chance.. if the political swing thats happening here is any indication...bush's days maybe numbered.. people have plain had enough right ring for awhile..its obvious...the political pendulum is due to swing back the other way...get over it.. (disclaimer:i guss its possible the US will endure 2 terms of right wing facisim just like we have..and its possible our bunch of creeps could possibly work some sort of almost "hung parliment" like they did the last few elections..:sus: ) (btw :i get drunk 1-2 times a year..and i am avoiding it totaly this year if i can..) :bong: you forget i am the wacko pot smoking madman that lives in la-la land with the pixies....heading off to funny farm any moment :uu: :hip: ok back to your AMERICAN politics..blah blah blah blah |
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Originally posted by scooobiedooobie
President Bush, Wartime President and Commander in Chief has....... 1. Successfully executed two wars in the aftermath of 9/11/01: Afghanistan and Iraq. 50 million people who had lived under tyrannical regimes now live in freedom. Neither war can be considered successfull yet, just because we are in the process of "rebuilding" means nothing...we will find out how successfull we have been after all forign troops pull out of both afganastan and iraq. 2. Saddam Hussein is now in prison. His two murderous sons are dead. All but a handful of the regime's senior members were killed or captured. There was no legitimate reason to invade iraq in the first place. (and please dont mention those ever so elusive WMD that havent been found...) 3. Leader by leader and member by member, al Qaeda is being hunted down in dozens of countries around the world. Of the senior al Qaeda leaders, operational managers, and key facilitators the U.S. Government has been tracking, nearly two-thirds have been taken into custody or killed. The detentions or deaths of senior al Qaeda leaders, including Khalid Shaykh Muhammad, the mastermind of 9/11, and Muhammad Atef, Osama bin Laden's second-in-command until his death in late 2001, have been important in the War on Terror. This is good, this is progress...mark one off in the win column 4. Disarmed Libya of its chemical, nuclear and biological WMD's without bribes or bloodshed. Libya decided to disarm on their own, funny how you are trying to give bush credit for that one. 5. Continues to execute the War On Terror, getting worldwide cooperation to track funds/terrorists. Has cut off much of the terrorists' funding, and captured or killed many key leaders of the al Qaeda network. And how many countries have publicly stated that they want nothing to do with bush and his war....the majority of them [b] 6. Initiated a comprehensive review of our military, which was completed just prior to 9/11/01, and which accurately reported that ASYMMETRICAL WARFARE capabilities were critical in the 21st Century.[/]b i know nothing about that...so...no comment 7. Killed the old US/Soviet Union ABM Treaty that was preventing the U.S. from deploying our ABM defenses. And you think that is a good thing??? Treaties are in place for a reason...to keep peace...breaking treaties only leads to war...take a look back in history and see how many wars have come about because of broken treaties. 8. Has been one of the strongest, if not THE strongest friend Israel has ever had in the U.S. presidency. Fuck them, let them handle their own problems, we have held their hands for long enough. 9. Part of the coalition for an Israeli/Palestinian "Roadmap to Peace," along with Great Britain, Russia and the EU. Not a bad idea...will be interesting to see how much more blood will be shed. 10. Pushed through THREE raises for our military. Increased military pay by more than $1 billion a year. Big numbers...what does that mean in per person terms? 11. Signed the LARGEST nuclear arms reduction in world history with Russia. Good, this shit has got to start somewhere right. Another in the win column. 12. Started withdrawing our troops from Bosnia, and has announced withdrawal of our troops from Germany and the Korean DMZ. Because they were needed for him to invade iraq...and its very likely that troops will go BACK to the DMZ....remember n korea is part of the axis of evil :er: 13. Prohibited putting U.S. troops under U.N. command. Dumb...just plain dumb. How is the UN supposed to be effective if every country that is a part of the UN doesnt do their part? 14. Paid back UN dues only in return for reforms and reduction of U.S. share of the costs. sounds good to me...+1 in the win column 15. Earmarked at least 20 percent of the Defense procurement budget for next-generation weaponry. Just what we need, more weapons....more shit to kill others...out with nukes, in with "next generation" weapons 16. Increased defense research and development spending by at least $20 billion from fiscal 2002 to 2006. but cut money for education......makes you wonder huh 17. Ordered a comprehensive review of military weapons and strategy. i guess we need to be more effecient killing machines 18. Ordered a review of overseas deployments. no review needed, bring home the troops 19. Ordered renovation of military housing. The military has already upgraded about 10 percent of its inventory and expects to modernize 76,000 additional homes this year. should have been done a long time ago +1 20. Is working to tighten restrictions on military-technology exports. looks like we gonna be makin some uber secret stuff! 21. Brought back our EP-3 intel plane and crew from China without any bribes or bloodshed. +1 22. Told the Congress and the world, "America will never seek a permission slip to defend the security of our country." And the world was behind us until we invaded a country that made no threat to our countrys security. +5 -17 good score! |
it's Ralph Nader you dumbfuck
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yeah him..
ralph ..right yeh that was dumb cause i even remember him on some crusade in the 70's to do with cars or something.... but i dont deal with his name as frequently as you do... i am glad you know who i ment tho.. wow, a president called ralph..that would be novel :) |
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you don't need a tank to take over paris sinner.
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Jesus, what is your problem you child? Why bring me into your little gay fest? Who is this "we" you speak of? Are you the mouth piece for the liberal left on this board? Say it ain't so, you will make it to darn easy for us. What is annoying is a post using words like dumb canadian......fucking......you suck.....cock......fuck.....pricks......dweebs.......asshole .......etc......wow sure makes you look smart using such words. Do yourself a favor and stay out of this forum, keep to the underground. |
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That was a good show Gutrguy, if you'd like to have a go at the rest of that little document or just get the real flavor of some of its more questionable horn tooting which scoob left out, you can find it in it's entirety here.
edit: Oops, I forgot to post this. (It's late and all and I forgot I was in the wartime thread, all the political threads kind of look the same.) Technically, no war is new. It's all a continuation... The history of wartime presidents is a mixed bag but it seems the more unpopular the war, the less chance of reelection. True, the war with Iraq was quite popular for about the ten minutes it took to write 153 country songs about it, but I think most people have matured into an ambivalence about it if not a realization that we went in over heads on several levels. One thing is pretty much for certain, even though deposing Hussein was super peachy, most intelligent supporters of the war now know they were talking out of their asses pretending it was a magic bullet to "fix" Iraq (or protect anyone but Iraq and its immediate neighbors from terrorism--which is at best still an untested statement at this point), and if Georgey Porgey is reelected, four more years will never probably see this goal. They keep officially pushing back the time for the proposed elections in Iraq, but it's my opinion that either they know better and aren't admitting it or they're in abject denial. (Its got to be a grim situation for a president when you've said you want to give power to the people but the people hate you and aren't as easily led around by the nose as the average American.) So far we've only served to destabilize the situation. I get tired of listening to Americans argue about whether this is good or bad, it's like arguing about the score of the dice before they've come to rest. We wanted to play doctor, but so far all we've done is pick a few scabs. The patient itself still complains more than ever. And its "contagious diseases" are not one iota closer to being contained. I'm an optimist, I like to think it's obvious to just about everyone except for about five rabid guys on this board that US foriegn policy is about freeing markets, not people. This may well be an unavoidbale and omnipresent aspect of americanism but what has made the Bush administration particularly intolerable has been their dishonesty about it--and that this dishonesty has been so infuriatingly effective. While all Kerry's (and all other contenders) talk-talk about the war (or whatever you'd like to call the situation we are creating) is pretty much indecipherable campaign claptrap at this point, I think the word "occupation" still looms large with many Iraqis and I think a new administration would be capable of making more appropriate gestures--to Iraqis as well as the world at large. Quote:
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why not insult you morons..you can dish it out but you cant take it ..eh?
i dont start until one of you self righteous pricks do.. the we i speak of are people like me that have heard enough of this holier than thou patheticness that you crew of repetitive conservatives like to impose on everyone.. go on keep moaning you are looking good... (dont forget to make me the one that is whinging..tho..rofl) |
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Your seemingly magical ability to hear what you imagine people are saying instead of what people are saying is old and transparent. Get a new trick.
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but, why ask gutrguy to have a go at (in your opinion, bush's horn-tooting)? as a person who excels in tooting your own horn, you should be chomping at the bit to do it yourself. Quote:
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News flash Canada recently voted no on Bush Missile Defense System :BL: |
clear examples why democracy really doent work...
its just an extenstion of the feudal system..where only the rich have power.. one day some future generations will look back from their close to uninhabitable planet and say...wtf was the point in voting at all... at least this kerry has some comment on the abysmal way the current government handles things to with the envionment...somehow i doubt he wil be that much more effective..but you can always hope.. |
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this ought to excite all you kerry lovers....but it should show you how dangerous he really is. :uu:
Kerry would abandon terror war By Kenneth R. Timmerman © 2004 Insight/News World Communications Inc. "The Democratic Party's presidential front-runner, Sen. John Kerry, D-Mass., has pledged that if elected he will abandon the president's war on terror, begin a dialogue with terrorist regimes and apologize for three-and-one-half years of mistakes by the Bush administration. In a sweeping foreign-policy address to the Council on Foreign Relations in December, Kerry called the U.S. war on terror as conceived and led by President Bush "the most arrogant, inept, reckless and ideological foreign policy in modern history." Kerry's remarks were widely praised by journalists. The Associated Press headlined its report on his speech, "Kerry Vows to Repair Foreign Relations." The Knight Ridder news service noted that the new focus on foreign policy "plays to Kerry's strength." None of the major U.S. dailies found Kerry's unusually strident language at all inappropriate. "Kerry Vows to Change U.S. Foreign Policy; Senator Describes Steps He Would Take as President," the Washington Post headlined ponderously. Presidential contenders have criticized sitting presidents in times of war before, but what's unique today is that "it has become the rule, not the exception," says Michael Franc, vice president for government relations at the Heritage Foundation. "With a few notable exceptions, you have almost the entire Democratic Party hierarchy that opposes what Bush is doing in the most vitriolic and emotional terms." Heritage presidential historian Lee Edwards called it "not a foreign-policy analysis but a polemical speech, filled with inflammatory rhetoric that is disturbing and beyond the pale. What this suggests is that Mr. Kerry wants to take us back to President [Bill] Clinton and his U.N.-led multilateral policies." Kerry promised to spend the first 100 days of his administration traveling the world to denounce his predecessor, apologize for his "radically wrong" policy, and seek "cooperation and compromise" with friend and foe alike. Borrowing language normally reserved to characterize "rogue" states, Kerry said he would "go to the United Nations and travel to our traditional allies to affirm that the United States has rejoined the community of nations." more.... http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/ar...TICLE_ID=37371 |
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You guys are forgetting the reason we're at war...
"More Muslims have died at the hands of killers than—I say more Muslims—a lot of Muslims have died—I don't know the exact count—at Istanbul. Look at these different places around the world where there's been tremendous death and destruction because killers kill." -- President George W Bush Washington, D.C., Jan. 29, 2004 |
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Because killers kill:con: Ain't it obvious:RE: Doesn't know the exact count:o Shameful:ND: Just wondering on this one...It's becoming more and more a common knowledge that Bush doesn't want to stop the war on terrorisim. So much money went into the war effort to "liberate" Afghanistan and Iraq that it makes me wonder how long Bush will be able to keep those millions rolling in into the war? What will be the impact on the american people when the country is almost flat broke because of so much money spent on the war? Does anyone care to venture a guess on what will be the outcome if Bush is allowed to keep spending money on his father personnal war? Don't know if this happened in the states during ww2 but over here, the canadian gouvernment spent so much money on it that it was the population who suffered (and yes, Hitler needed to be stopped). The only way to cope with the small amount of money left for the population was to ration the food supply so that everyone could get to eat, well, atleast eat a little. That's how it was in Montreal. For what it's worth, The war should be stopped before the money runs out. What good is a war on terrorisim when in the end, more american will have died then on 09/11? For state security? |
The above quote was taken as a 'Bushism' so I wouldn't read too much into it.
You mention money (and, ergo, the economy). Over the past few weeks, I've read, seen and heard conflicting reports on the state of the US economy. Seems like on the one hand, the claim is that things are peachy and on the up... on the other hand, there's a big prediction of doom and gloom. I can accept that this is part-and-parcel of predicting the economy - conflicting reports are natural, but there are also a number of reports suggesting something more deeply disturbing. :eek: I read recently that at it's current levels, (assuming service on debt goes up a mere ¼ of 1 percent per year), by the year 2011, 100% of the revenue the Government receives will go straight to the holders of US debt instruments. In other words, debt repayment will exceed revenue. I can accept that this is a shitty source, but I'd like to know people's opinions on it - realistic or rubbish? |
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If this war doesn't stop soon, the shit will hit the fan and Bush and his friends will have gathered enough money to surf though, at the expense of the american people :MAD: Being Canadian, this scenario scares me a lot. Not that I don't trust my american neighbour, I just don't trust their president. If Bush goes on invading other country because, either they shelter terrorist or give money to terrorist organisation, then, himself, becomes another internationnal terrorist, in the eyes of others. One cannot comdemn a whole country and invade it because of a few "bad apples" Right now, we can see that in Iraq and Pakistan, a civil war is brewing, the sunite muslim are waging terrorist attacks against the Chiite muslim. I wonder what the us gov will do when all hell breaks loose between those 2 religious groups? Armed peace is not a solution, never was. |
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BAGHDAD, Iraq — Shiite (search) clerics joined Sunni (search) preachers in a march of thousands of mostly black-clad men Wednesday, trying to keep sectarian passions in check after a horrific attack on Shiite pilgrims that raised fears of civil war. In an attempt to play down sectarian divisions, Shiite Muslim clerics and Sunni preachers led thousands in a march from a Shiite suburb in eastern Baghdad to the Kazimiya district where the bombings in the capital took place. "We and our Sunni countrymen are, have been and always will be, brothers," said Shiite preacher Amer al-Hussein, a senior aide to firebrand cleric Muqtada al-Sadr, an outspoken opponent of the U.S.-led occupation. Members of the U.S.-appointed Iraqi Governing Council also stressed the need for unity between Shiites and Sunnis. "It was a crime directed not only against Shiites, or Islam, but against humanity," said Ibrahim al-Jaafari, a prominent Shiite council member. "Anyone who kills a Sunni is against the spirit of Shiism. And anyone who kills a Shiite is against the spirit of Sunnism," he said. Governing Council members also sought to discourage speculation that the attacks would trigger a wave of reprisal killings that would spiral toward civil war. "We are nowhere near civil war," said Mouwafak al-Rubaie, a Shiite member. "It will never happen in this country." |
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terror : n. (a) extreme fear. (b) things which causes fear. (c) naughty/uncontrollable person. terrorisim : n. policy of using violence in a political cause. terrorist : adj. & n. (person) who practice terrorisim. terrorize : to frighten (someone) very much, extremely frightened. Hitler was not a terrorist, he was a monster bent on the conquest of the world and imposing his own values to the conquerred countries. Napoleon was a poor sap:ND: Saddam, from his people point of view, he was also a monster... But to my knowledge, the only thing he did to the US was to steal their oil, then the poor rich ppl of koweit cried for help against this thief like the poor rich vietnamese ppl cried for help when those big bad communist tried to impose their regime. Hell, if they were able to kick the french colonist out of vietnam, what made the the american gov think that they could do any better? Span, how would you describe your actual gouvernment? Right-wing or extreme right-wing? In Bush case, he is the all time internationnal terrorist. He keeps frightening his own country on terrorist attacks, keeps frightening other countries that if we are not for the US gov, we are against it, thus for the terrorists, keeps using violence in a political cause (try and find me a peaceful invasion) and he want's to impose on other countries and his own his own personnal religious beliefs. He no better than Bin ladden imo. Bush right now is spending all the money on a war that actually targets only a few individuals and that is wrong. How can one's government justify this much money for so few individuals... beside, if bin ladden does get captured, another will take it's place. War on terrorisim, defined by Bush's government, will go on forever because they will always be ppl that are totally against americans values & idealogies(what ever they are)? Is another dark ages era dawn coming in? If this war keeps going on, the US will prolly run out of money before it runs out of oil |
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three fifths of Al-Queda's leadership is dead or has electrodes hooked to their scrotum in an undisclosed location, i'd hardly call that "going nowhere". Quote:
he was an enabler, people like Bin Laden saw that people like Saddam could thumb their nose with impunity at the world with no reprecussions, that only served to embolden terrorists, plus there's also the matter of his Suicide Bomber Life Insurance paid to families of jihadists that killed jewish civilians in Israel (a US ally in case you didn't know) which could be considered terrorism. Quote:
what do you mean "actual government"? that includes alot of people and i call it a representative democracy. Quote:
what? cite examples PLEASE, i'm dying to see them. Quote:
are you saying he should go after Islam as a whole? because whether anyone wants to say it or not that's where the real terrorism comes from, wahabiism in particular. but of course then he'd be blamed for starting another Crusades. Quote:
those "few individuals" perpetrated the largest terrorist attack on US soil, call it jingoistic if you want but tracking down and killing the bastards responsible is a right and duty of any President, i understand your Canadian and probably partly French so i can see why you think rolling over and giving up would have been a better course of action. Quote:
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Wow span, you really outdone yourself this time:J:
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BTW, I love USA and all it represents, freedom of speech and expression:ND: But these days I wonder if freedom of speach and expression are legal under Bush Adm. |
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You've turned into quite the loon in such a few short years, sad really, i used to think you were semi intelligent. i could run down the list of verified Al-Queda captures, Kahlid Mohhammad, Abu Zubaydah are 2 of the more prominent ones, both captured by Pakistani police, The Bear, a major financer/recruiter would be another but naming all these VERIFIED captures would be pointless, they aren't important to you. Quote:
i never said Al-Queda and Saddam were bed buddies, but it is fairly obvious that Saddam's actions(and the UN inaction btw) emboldened terrorists, including Osama. Quote:
you need to read/watch more news, no noe has mentioned a connection in months. and yes, for the record i don't think there was a connection but sometimes you have to scare useless institutions (cough cough UN cough cough) into action despite their own lethargy. Quote:
when there are 16 resolutions from supposed world authorities telling Bush to stop then you can come back to me with that arguement, until then it's at the least and bad comparisson and at the most ignorant. Quote:
so you support courageous martyrs that strap bombs to their chests for a chance to kill innocent women and children? color me suprised :RE: Quote:
OMG a country that looks after their own interests before the interests of others!?!?! SHOCKING!...let me provide a little info for you, the US doesn't give a damn about the Israeli cause, they are a democracy in the middle of islamofacist hell, that alone is reason to insure their survival at any means. if the jihadist succeding in felling Israel do you think they'd suddenly give up their weapons and quit? Quote:
so allies should be determined by a countries military might? then i guess Canada should have ZERO allies then. Quote:
oh yeah those Europeons just love the jews! i mean once you get past the part were they killed 6 million of them 60 years ago i guess they could tolerate them just enough to ignore the fact that Islam is trying to add even more to that number. someone once said "If Palestinians dropped their weapons they would get their own state, but if the Israeli's dropped theirs they would get pushed into the sea", i'd think that irrefutable fact would be enough to turn any Jihadi lover like you but unfortunately that would require a modicum of rational thought on your part. Quote:
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you do realize if 9-11 didn't happen that there would be no war on terrorism? we didn't start this war you fool, 19 hijackers did. I think everyone was expecting (myself included) a rather ho-hum presidency from Bush. Quote:
again, not a change we asked for, they picked the fight, don't get your french panties in a bunch because someone finally had the balls to stand up to this shit. Quote:
honestly honey, no one cares about Canadian politics. Quote:
how do you go from a statement like " and he want's to impose on other countries and his own his own personnal religious beliefs." to "Bush might apply his own beliefs on the american ppl?" quite the flip flop their ms. menard, sure your last name isn't Kerry? Quote:
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i believe what is right and what i see, not what is told to me by my poli-sci professor or what i read on Indymedia. i guess that makes me "selective" :RE: Quote:
hahaha did you read that before hitting "submit"? thats like saying "i see nothing wrong with facisim exept for the whole killing millions thing". i thought you lefty tards were all about freedoms? wahabism preaches anything but that. Quote:
Daniel Pipes said it best; "Radical Islam is the disease and moderate Islam is the cure". someone has to drag that assbackwards religion, kicking and screaming if need be, out of the 12th century before they kill even more people. Quote:
but if they were they'd be working the soup kitchen. using "Canada" and "army" in the same sentence is punishable under the PATRIOT ACT. Quote:
if you think terrorism is locally confined to the US then you're a simpleton of the highest magnitude, i guess attacks in Bali and Riyadh along with a host of others don't count? Quote:
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while it's painful to say, 500+ soldiers lost in 3 years during 2 wars is a pittance considering the amount of damage done to worldwide terrorism, and of course theres that whole part about freeing about 50 million people from their respective oppressive regimes. Quote:
a safer one, i can only imagine the world if Bush sat on hands after 9-11 and did nothing, talk about an open invitation to attack us again. Quote:
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TORONTO - A Canadian who was released from Guantanamo Bay in October says he lied about his family's ties with al-Qaeda and that he was trained to become a suicide bomber. In a documentary aired Wednesday on CBC's The National, Abdurahman Khadr said his father was old friends with al-Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden and that his brothers attended terrorist training camps. "Until now, everybody says we are an al-Qaeda-connected family but when I say this, just by me saying it, I just admitted we are an al-Qaeda family. We had connections to al-Qaeda," said Abdurahman Khadr. The family has always disputed claims that its patriarch, Ahmed Said Khadr, was a senior al-Qaeda operative and fundraiser, saying he collected money for charities. He was killed in Pakistan in October 2003. Abdurahman Khadr says he was sent to Afghanistan by his father "to become an al-Qaeda, was raised to become a suicide bomber, was raised to become a bad person." In 2001, Abdurahman was captured in Afghanistan and held at the U.S. military detention compound at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba. He was freed last fall after agreeing to co-operate with U.S. authorities, he says. Another brother, Omar Khadr, is believed to be in the same prison. Abdurahman's mother, Maha, and sister, Zaynab, say the family supported the al-Qaeda cause, but insist it was never an accepted part of the terrorist organization. They say that Ahmed Said Khadr was proud to die as a shaheed, a soldier of Islam. "We believe that death comes when God had planned it, before He created the humanity, it's planned, so I just accept, [but] it hurt," said Maha. "We believe dying by the hand of your enemy because you believe in…you're doing it in the way of Allah, that it's the best way to die," said Zaynab. http://www.cbc.ca/storyview/MSN/2004/03/04/khadr_040304 |
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Only a shitless, gutless, coward low life like you would disclose one's true user name for all to see on a public board. You want to have your name known publically, it's your own damned buisness, just don't do it to others who have a differents views of what is happening than your own. What you did was a breach of my privacy and that is an unacceptable behaviour from your part. Quote:
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All points being said, I will not stoop lower than your low life class span, and also BTW, if you want to give out my full name for the world to see on a BB, atleast have the decency to SPELL IT RIGHT you wallnut sized brained idiot. scooobiedooobie, thanks for the info on this:AP: Don't have the time to read all news allday long;) |
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since you're stupid i'll let you in on some info, in a crisis like that the Secret Service has the only say in what the president does, he was taken out of harms way until it was safe for a HEAD OF STATE to appear, no one knew how many planes were out there hijacked, it's called due caution. look into it Quote:
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Regarding the letter published Wednesday titled "Israel's wall a restrained defense": What restraint? Since September 2000, less than 1,000 Israelis were killed and 6,145 were injured by Palestinians. Contrast this with the Palestinian deaths and injuries for the same period: 2,711 deaths and 24,734 injuries (a third were children under the age of 15). Every suicide bombing is usually a major story in the media, accompanied with live photos of Israeli victims and expressions of shock and horror. Palestinian deaths receive hardly any or no reporting in the media; sometimes they are just scrolled across the bottom of the screen on CNN.from you cant really beat picking off kids from a US supplied helicopter...now thats really tough... |
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