The Enemy of my Enemy is New U.S. Weapons
 

I don't know how the American government can trust the Saudis. But there you go....

The ruling class is filthy rich so with everything to lose they've got no motive to stir up trouble.

The US probably has weapons that can negate what the Saudis are getting. Then they'll sell them those when they have still newer weapons ready to go. I'm sure the US keeps the latest and greatest shit for itself and sells the chumps mildly obsolete weapons.

Wasn't it Saudis who flew the planes into the WTC on September 11, 2001?

To Sunni Arabs, ethnicity and religion transcend political borders, so if it didn't matter to them that they happened to be Saudis then why should it matter to us?

Apparently it matters to Bush. Countries that harbour terrorists are our enemies and all that crap. But he is still willing to sell them arms. Seems hypocritical. It doesn't matter to me what country we are selling arms to in my opinion. Selling the arms is wrong. Too often they end up getting used on our own military.

Sure our enemies will still get weapons, but I hardly think we should be helping them, and I don't think I(or anyone else) mentioned trust in connection to who we sell weapons to. I mean you put "trust" in quotes. What are you? An Albed clone? Always assuming and putting words into others peoples mouths? Judging people before you know them?

Sure they were terrorists. Saudi terrorists. Just like McVeigh is an American terrorist. We do harbor terrorists in the USA. According to Bush logic we should be bombing ourselves.

C'mon man. This is a question mark. "?" That's what you put after a sentence where you are asking a question. See my post above for examples. I was wondering if you were an Albed clone, and from your response, it looks like I wasn't far off. Name calling and un-intelligent banter don't make you seem cool or smart. It makes you look like a fool. You responded to my post adding the "trust" part yourself. I have known albed to get the wrong assumtion from people before and add his assumtions to what others say into his own posts. Then you did it, so I asked if that was the way you were also. So I wouldn't have to judge you without knowing you a bit better. And you come off with a typical albed move of name calling. It only confirms my suspicions.

You left out a significant fact. McVeigh was tried, convicted, and executed for his terrorist acts.

What about the South American terrorists living in Miami?

well, i can explain that one: you see, you're only a terrorist when you blow up the planes of governments we like. when you blow up planes and kill civilians from countries we don't like, as did Luis Posada Carriles, then you're not a terrorist. that's why he's walking around free in Miami. it's all very relative. similarly, when other countries lock people up for years incommunicado, without trials, or habeas corpus rights, they are brutal repressive regimes; when we do it, we're defending liberty. when Saddam Hussein kills thousands of Iraqis, he's a vicious thug dictator but when we kill thousands of Iraqis, we're actually liberating them. (and no doubt the Iraqis themselves take comfort in this distinction, however subtle it may be.)

and so it goes - maybe they should call it "the war on relative terror", no?

Did you ever get the "suspicion" that you really are stupid? It would explain the name calling and the insults perfectly without resorting to speculation that people are clones or "just plain mean with no good reason".

Being stupid alone doesn't warrant abuse of course but thinking you somehow know better than people with vastly greater intelligence, education and experience shows the kind of arrogance and egotism that's both laughable and disgusting.


Here's a prime example of Judge vernarial pronouncing his simple minded verdict that it's just "wrong". Pathetic when you consider all the millions of people who were massacred because they didn't have the weapons to defend themselves. But the Judge lacks the intelligence to consider even that simple bit of evidence.

If you are serious I can get into it for you.

You making up history? Canada really was not a country until 1867 and the Revolutionary War was from 1775–1783. What the hell they teaching you guys down there? And yeah we hate you so much, Canada is your largest trading partner and more Canadians visit the USA then any other country in the World. OOhhh the Hate.....please.....

Really, is that the only reason we are allies? I did not know bording countries had no choice but to be allies. You should let Europe know this. It could have saved a lot of wars from happening. WWI and II included. Wow...why didn't Europe get this memo?


The rest of your post reads like something miss_silver would write and I will not respond, albed's response made much more sense, and don't say I hate Americans because it is complete BS. Find me a post that would make you believe that could be true.

Close enough man, it's more like albed who is the JC clone... LOL

Oh sure, you just proclaim you have vastly greater intelligence, education and experience and everyone goes "oh wow" can't argue with that.. :sarc:

What has always struck me as stupid is that you idiots actually think anyone takes any notice of that sort of self-absorbed,self-righteous fucking crap you guys love to spin. :)

While making seem like it may be just all good fun for you to generalize about peoples intelligence who disagree with your viewpoint , it always is just another dull typical way to avoid the subject and drag it off course.

Another fine example of arrogance and egotism
laughable and disgusting.... yes

you are a fucking joke
:f:

Anyone that isn't from the US must hate them

I believe this idea has been sold to the US public wholesale. (maybe there is still a few don't buy it ;))

I too am of course an American hater but never considered myself one.

But I have to say..
Many great things in the US that won much admiration from people elsewhere last century have been slowly dismantled bit by bit over the last decade.. and now it is looking like some bizarre sideshow freak eating itself. Myself I can't bring myself to hate anyone in any one country too much ,mostly because every individual is unique, the illusionary idea of borders do not matter much any more.... they are ancient lines that will slowly become obsolete over time.

Nice going multi, you managed to turn even jcmd into another whining crybaby: "Oh the harsh words in this forum are just so terrible...I can't bear to read them any longer. I must take a break-'sob'-farewell"


Incredible how cowardly people can be around here when in real life men fight with fists, knives and guns for what they believe in. :dis:

so you are saying I do hate all Americans?
I just think I don't... or is it I am arrogantly trying to trick you with multi-layered rhetoric... whatever you SAY !

Where exactly do I insist on clones disagreeing with me must be a clone of someone else who has disagreed with me?
This?
It was a joke son!

so now my post count defines me as arrogant and egotistical.. how can I possibly defend that :D

it's been fun watching some of you snobby fuckers go out of you way to ignore them... yeh it's arrogant ... I should of just put my tail between my legs 2-3 years ago and left this place but you see, there are people from the US here that are not like that at all. I like some people here..no matter where they come from is all I meant by:
so as usual you just really full of shit when trying character assassinate me..

was that PB8 I heard rolling in his grave?
(laughing)
:f:

Keep-your-friends-close-but-your-enemies-closer
 

There is one thing that is clear to me about what we must do to permanently end the threat posed by radical Islamic extremism: we must establish a relationship with the entire Muslim and Arab world based on genuine trust and shared interests. Our current presence in Iraq offers us an opportunity to accomplish this, but only if we are willing to face reality and treat Arabs as if they are equals to the Jews in Israel. No other American policy is more responsible for anti-Americanism in the Middle East (and in Europe, Asia and much of the rest of the world for that matter) than our ignorant and morally indefensible support of the hostile and oppressive actions of the Israeli government.

It would be correct to argue that war is not the ideal foundation for building a diplomatic and cross-cultural alliance upon, but it is precisely that which has put us in a position to rewrite our Middle East policy to better serve America’s national security interests. Heretofore, American foreign policy has marginalized Arab Muslims, more so than any other civilization on the planet, due in large part to our misguided support of Israel. Israel carries itself as if it were the 51st state of the Union, and for whatever reason US governments have reinforced American solidarity with the Jewish state despite its continues disregard for US interest and the will of the international community.

For all of the pandering heard from Democrats about the importance of listening to the international community when formulating US foreign policy or guiding the nation into a war, has anyone ever hear them apply this same logic to the issue of Israeli occupation of the Palestinians and total disregard for international law and countless UN resolutions? Of course not.

Republicans are no less hypocritical in their application of consequences for transgressions against the international community. One of the primary reasons given for the invasion of Iraq was its continuous disregard for UN resolutions demanding its disarmament, which is in my opinion a great and justified reason for imposing sanctions and using force to increase pressure on a government. However, in the case of Israel, it has acquired nuclear capability by spying on the United States, occupied its neighbors and reduced millions of people to a stateless and largely hopeless existence, all in the name of God and country. What have we done about that? Nothing. No sanctions, no force, politicians don’t even have the courage to speak out publicly against their irresponsible and harmful policies for fear that this would be politically unwise.
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Latest Bin Laden Video Is a Forgery: All References to Current Events Are Made During Video Freeze

clever shit.. no one will make people believe these videos are mostly faked
it's like believing in ET aliens

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Bush's new friends: The Sunnis



Sept. 5, 2007 | WASHINGTON -- With little progress toward national political reconciliation in Baghdad, and Congress poised to reassess the troop surge, the Bush administration is maneuvering to spin its Iraq strategy in a different direction. Essentially, the argument now goes that instead of sectarian reconciliation from the capital, all politics is local. A series of handshake truces between the U.S. military and Sunni tribes -- including some who not long ago fought as insurgents -- is at the heart of the approach to bringing greater stability to Iraq.

"At some point, there was a switch in the terms of reference for how we evaluate this surge," says Brian Katulis at the Center for American Progress, a left-leaning think tank. "It was that we were going to get the politics running at the national level. Now the key is local progress. It is not national progress."

The handshake truces between U.S. commanders and former Sunni insurgent groups started in Iraq's western Anbar province in late 2005, and similar initiatives are now spreading east toward Baghdad. Former insurgents agree to halt attacks on U.S. troops and instead, with U.S. backing, fight against forces associated with al-Qaida in Iraq. In return, U.S. forces are also helping Sunnis establish their own local security forces and sign up in predominantly Sunni units of the Iraqi army and police.

This new concept, known as "bottom-up reconciliation," has increasingly crept into White House and Pentagon talking points -- reframing a plan that was originally supposed to tamp down sectarian conflict and pave the way for deal making by securing Baghdad and creating a stable national government.

But while security conditions have improved in some areas of Baghdad and elsewhere in the country, some experts say that the shift toward backing Sunni groups isn't likely to help reduce sectarian strife -- and may well be setting the stage for a greater civil war.

Improved security from the troop surge, President Bush argued early this year, would foster an environment in Baghdad where national reconciliation would blossom. Concrete steps such as assembling a more inclusive central government and equitably dividing oil revenues would begin to bridge deep sectarian rifts, progress that would be measurable with so-called benchmarks. "America will hold the Iraqi government to the benchmarks," Bush said when he announced the surge strategy in January.

But the administration has been moving away from the previous measures for progress. "The longer I'm here, the more I'm persuaded that Iraq cannot be analyzed by these kind of discrete benchmarks," Ryan Crocker, the U.S. ambassador in Baghdad, told the New York Times in July. And when President Bush visited Al Asad Air Base in the Sunni-dominated Anbar province on Monday, he emphasized "bottom-up progress," saying that it is "paving the way for the political reconciliation and economic progress the Iraqis need to transform their country."

Military officials in Iraq contend this is, in fact, a form of reconciliation. "We are empowering [Sunnis] and we are looking at this as an opportunity to reconcile," Lt. Col. Christopher Garver, a military spokesman in Iraq, said of the efforts to cut deals with and prop up the Sunnis. "That is one of the things we keep talking about is this national reconciliation, in which getting the people to stop fighting -- even if it is just fighting us -- at least gets people working together," Garver told Salon.

The initiatives have had some tangible benefits for U.S. troops. Maj. Jeff Pool, a Marine public affairs officer in Anbar Province, said there had been 70 attacks on U.S. forces in Anbar the week before last -- down from 450 during a week from the same time period last year.

"Most of these guys had been shooting at us, so you are virtually certain to show a net gain whatever you do," said Frederick Kagan of the American Enterprise Institute, a conservative think tank. Kagan has also been a vocal supporter of the surge strategy.

But others analyzing the war worry that the United States is now training, organizing and empowering staunch foes of the Shiite-led central government. Even Lt. Col. Garver, the military spokesman, admitted that the U.S. initiative with the Sunnis has resulted in "some nervousness" among Shiite leaders in Baghdad.

"If what you are doing is strengthening these particular Sunni groups, and they are cooperating with us to get rid of al-Qaida, you give them guns and training," says Marc Lynch, a professor of political science at George Washington University. "Now they are in a better position to fight against the Shiites." ...More

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HELL, TRY THIS ONE FOR SIZE.....


http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=72b_1189453109


A true amature vid from 9/11

CAN SOMEONE PLEASE SPOT THE PLANE FOR ME?


The enemy of thy enemy will only end to up back stab you in thy end.

good to see you !
:W:

In that vid...if the amateur camera operator didn't zoom out so far when it hit ,you would of most likely seen the plane ...

Maybe we should have a forum rubber-room so the sick nutcases here can obsess over their stupid conspiracy bullshit with each other in private.

as has been said many times you are the one with many problems and hangups albed.. but you don't seem to care

typical of someone with poor mental health.

If that isn't the font calling the kettle black...


uh... yeah... and I'm actually from the planet Snartoom.

What's the weather like?

:EA:

:BL:

That's not Albed.
He hasn't got a medal on.:bdance: :bdance:

It obviously doesn't refer to me since there's mention of 'people smarter than-'. Duh!

I have noticed that JC is capable of standing up for himself.:)



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Fears of dollar collapse as Saudis take fright



Saudi Arabia has refused to cut interest rates in lockstep with the US Federal Reserve for the first time, signalling that the oil-rich Gulf kingdom is preparing to break the dollar currency peg in a move that risks setting off a stampede out of the dollar across the Middle East.

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here here,

wig wearing powderheads.

:eye2:

What the fuck are you on about JC ?

haha ! you are fucking kidding me...

I shouldn't even have to explain that.. but I guess some people are just thick...

so why don't you explain to me, how exactly ,by saying 'I can't bring myself to hate anyone in any one country too much..etc' is making myself out to be an ass ?

More of your spew about how worthless and rotten this bb is while you return over and over like some pathetic bitch in an abusive relationship, always crawling back for more.


Why the fuck do you post here when you hate it so much?

It seems quite hilarious that you pretend not to understand jc albed. One would think it would be like looking in the mirror. Then again, you both seem to have an acute form of blindness when it comes to self perception.

In spite of jc's pathetic appeal that he's "not like this," what you have in common (with each other as well with most of the other angry little people you see commenting on news items across the internet) is the pretense that you are bound to be superior to virtually everyone you encounter, quite in spite of the fact that the preponderance of the evidence is to the contrary.