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What would you ask the Prez tonight?
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President is giving a press conference tonight - one of only a few he has given during his presidency. he doesn't like unscripted situations...not his milieu, as it were.
what would you ask the president, if you were a reporter? i wanna know who this little dog is.... |
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Just started to watch now on CNN be back later;) |
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Just watch 2 mins of it to state it's true bull, feel like puking right now, s'cuse my french |
vous êtes excusé !
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he kinda rambles on a bit, doesn't he? good speech (not surprising since someone else writes it and he practices it over and over), but he seems a little scattered and anxious in his answers to the live questions. reminds me of a car salesman, trying to close a deal on a customer who's already halfway out the door.
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Truly pathetic, espicially on this last question:help: Right now, Bush is squirming like a virgin on a prom night:BL: |
Just watch the whole thing now:m:
Gonna get back to Canadians Vs Bruins, more interesting:eek: |
was working and missed it. maybe i can get it from bt :RI: probably have to catch it on c-span. about as much fun as homework.
- js. |
What would you ask the Prez tonight?
"...OK, next question. You, Ramona, there in the back..."
"...Yes. Thank you Mr. President. I was just wondering what you're going to do with all the spare time you're going to have on your hands after November?" |
Who made the money on all of the put options "seelling short" the airline stock in the weeks and days prior to 9/11?
Why was Ashcroft warned to stop flying commercial airlines prior to 9/11? Did you really see the first plane strike the N tower? |
oh yeah and these questions also.
this list came from www.whatreallyhappened.com 1. Why didn't jets intercept the airliners since they had numerous warnings of terrorist attacks? 2. Why did Ashcroft stop flying commercial, citing an unidentified "threat" in July 2001? 3. Why were there no photos or videos of the Pentagon plane? 4. Why didn't the Secret Service hustle Dubya out of the classroom? 5. Where was George H. W. Bush at the time of the attacks? 6. Why did passengers or crewmembers on three of the flights all use the term boxcutters? 7. Where are the flight recorders? 8. Why were the FISA warrants discontinued? 9. How did Bush see the first plane crash on live camera? 10 Why was security meeting scheduled for 9/11cancelled by WTC management on 9/10? 11. How did they come up with the "culprits" so quickly? 12. How did they find the terrorist's cars at the airports so quickly? 13. Why did Shrub dissolve the Bin Laden Task Force? 14. Why the strange pattern of debris from Flight 93? 15. Why was no plane seen at the Pentagon? 16. How extensive was the relationship between the Taliban, the ISI and the CIA? 17. What exactly was the role of Henry Kissinger at UNOCAL? 18. When was it decided to cancel building a pipeline from Turkmenistan through Afghanistan to Pakistan? 19. When was the decision made to send the FEMA to New York? 20. Why did FEMA spokesman Tom Kenney tell Dan Rather he was in New York on Sept. 10? 21. Why did the FBI in 1996 close the files to investigate Osama bin Laden's relatives in Washington? 22. Why did .Bush stop inquiries into terrorist connections of the Bin Laden family in early 2001? 23. Who made the decision to have John O'Neill stop investigating Al-qeada accounts? 24. Who gave the decision to give him a security job at the World Trade Center? 25. Did John O'Neill meet anyone of the FEMA in the night of September 10th? 26. What about media reports that hijackers bought tickets for flights scheduled after Sept. 11? 27. Why did none of the 19 hijackers appeared on the passenger lists? 28. Why would devout Muslims frequent bars, drink alcoholic beverages and leave their bibles? 29. Why would the hijackers use credit cards and allow drivers licenses with photos to be zeroxed? 30. Why did the hijackers force passengers to call relatives? 31. How did the hijackers change the flight plan without law enforcement or the military try to stop them? 32. Which hijacker's passport was found in the WTC rubble? Who found it and what time? 33. How could the FBI distinguish between "regular" Muslims and hijacker Muslims on those flights? 34. Why was there not one "innocent" Muslim on board any of these flights? 35. Did someone go through the passenger lists looking for Muslim names and label them as hijackers? MOHAMMED ATTA 36. Did the Florida police provide information that Atta was searched because of 1)an expired Visa, 2) driving a car without a license, 3) because of an incident at Miami Airport? 37. Why did Atta leave his bag at the airport and the employees didn't put it on board? 38. Who found his bag? How can we be sure it it was his bag? 39. Why did Atta place a video "how to fly planes", a uniform and his last will into his bag, knowing that he would commit suicide? 40. Why did Atta leave his drivers license in a rental car? 41. When did Atta train on a flight simulator? 42. Did Atta leave the US while in training and then return? 43. Why did Atta decide to study at Opa Locka, a famous hub of 6 Navy training bases and includes government partners like U.S. Coast Guard Air Station, Police (Miami-Dade) Aviation Unit? 44. Why was Atta allowed to study since he was stopped by the police for driving without a license and also for violating his visa? THE BLACK BOXES AND CRASH VIDEO 45. Why were the Black Boxes never recovered ? 46. Why didn't the FBI release the air traffic controller's protocols? 47. Why did the FBI not release the Flight Data Recorder info? 48. Who video-recorded the first plane hitting the tower? Why did he disappear from the media? THE HIJACKERS 49. How did the FBI receive a tip from a passenger who boarded a different plane and reached his destination safely that he had a confrontation with two ME men at the Logan airport in Boston? 50. Who tipped the FBI to storm the Westin Hotel in Boston on September 12th? 51. Where did the photos of all 19 hijackers come from? 52. How were all hijackers identified just 2 days after the attack? 53. Why did all 19 names not appear on the passenger list 2 days after the hijacker list was released? 54. Why do none of the names appear on the passenger lists UA and AA gave to CNN? 55. How could the hijackers disable the defense systems? 56. Why did the FBI ignore Bin Laden's family, who left the United States without further investigation 57. What about the supposed hijackers who are still alive? 58. Was there a reason to change the list of the original 19 hijackers? 59. What happened to Ayub Ali Khan and Mohammed Jaweed Azmath, who have been in jail since September 2001, because of possession of box cutters on a train?Who gave the tip to arrest them? 60. Why did it take 4 months before Ramsi Binalschibhs name was mentioned, since he was a good friend of Mohammad Atta and lived in his apartment in Hamburg? 61. Why did it take 4 months until December 11 to charge Zacarias Moussaoui for the 9/11 attacks when his case was known worldwide for months, but not mentioned in the American media? 62. Whatever happened with Lotfi Raissi, who was arrested in UK for teaching the terrorist pilots? 63. What is the current status of the investigation of Mamoun Darkazanli Import-Export-Company in Hamburg and Al Taqwa Management Organisation in Lugano? 64. Why was Richard Reid able to enter the Paris airport twice and who paid for his hotel? 65. Who hired Zacarias Masspoui to learn how to fly passenger jets in the United States? 66. Why did the FBI or CIA fail to interrogate him between August and December 2001? BIN LADEN 67. Did the CIA monitor Bin Laden in 1998 with the help of 15 Afghan agents, paid $1,000/ month? 68. Where are these agents? Was Johnny "Mike" Spann one? Was John Walker Lindh one? 69. Is an Afghan agent a member of the ISI? Is an Afghan agent working for Bin Laden? 70. When was the first time Tenet mentioned the Al-Quaeda group to any member of the Senate? 71. Why did the Pentagon release a new video version or translation of the Bin Laden Home video? 72. Why it was released only 8 hours after translation by the German magazine MONITOR on December ? 73. Why were the four translators prior US-Government workers? 74. When was the Bin Laden Home Video found and who found it? 75. Who found the video if Northern Alliance and US troops had not yet arrived in Kandahar or Jahalabad? 76. Does the timestamp on the Bin Laden video indicate that it was found two weeks after it was produced? 77. Why was the public not informed who found the video and when? 78. Why according to MONITOR magazine, were the most controversial statements translated incorrectly? 79. Why was the video released? 80. Who gave the final decision to release it? 81. Why is the Bin Laden video of June 2001 in which he praised the attack, available on the Internet? 82. What about Bin Laden's statements on Al-Jazeera in June 2001 about the bombing of USS Cole, which are similar to the statements on the November 2001 home video? 83. Why did Bin Laden state in Umman Magazine in Sept. 2001, that he was not involved in the WTC? 84. Is Bin Laden still on the payroll of the CIA or ISI? 85. Did the Bin Laden Group Inc. help build ToraBora with the CIA? 86. What was the purpose of the meeting with General Pervez Musharraf in May 2001? 87. Why was a statement released that Al-Khalifa bin Laden, who is not the mother of Bin Laden, had a telephone call with Bin Laden on September 9, rather than Alia Ghanem, his mother? Why did Alia Ghanem say she did not believe he planned the attack? |
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ok i watched it this morning after taping the 1 am feed from c-span. couple of things: 1, he can't answer a direct question if it makes him uncomfortable (the one about him testifying together w/cheney when the commision wanted them there individually is just one example). and 2, almost all questions make him uncomfortable.
it was a piss poor performance heavy on religious portent and light on factual honesty. "I also have this belief, strong belief that freedom is not this country's gift to the world. Freedom is the Almighty's gift to every man and woman in this world. And as the greatest power on the face of the earth, we have an obligation to help the spread of freedom." so he's helping god fight the iraqis. this is the best we've got? ok, maybe we should start praying. - js. |
Some of these questions are so stupid it's like a 12 year old wrote them and did little home work LOL!
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Hmm don't really remember that movie much? Must not of liked it?:BL: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv...tack/movie.htm |
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that's a very funny image, RAS... |
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Watched your vid link about 10 times now and I still cant see a plane hitting the pentagon, only a big explosion. |
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Can you spell 'defeat'?
Oooh, I'll give you a hint, I'm not talking about the things you use to walk. Cheapshot. |
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Right here! LOL:BL: Does it matter they found debris and there was witnesses that saw the damn thing. I just supplied the photo of impact |
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My math is bad but If I figure the plane was moving at 400mph which is well within the planes speed capability. Figure the plane was moving at 586 fps the picture shows at best guess 200 feet to the right of the Pentagon at impact point. So it could very well have gotten between frames as it would have taken about a third of a second to close 200 ft. but without knowing the film speed we'll never know? |
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But even though the plane was flying at a speed of 400mph (close to a Concorde in speed):BL: Pretty sure it was flying at less speed but I have to say that for pentagon, their security camera who "caugh, caugh" caught the plane "on tape" sucked greatly. Amateur vids were better at catching the second plane hitting WTC! It truly makes me wonder that a 300$ camcorder can do a better job at filming a plane hitting wtc than the Pentagon security cam did. Even supermarkets in my neighbourhood have better cams than those of the pentagone, never seen such a bad recording:o Would be nice to know who found any plane debries after the explosion... Also, if memory serves me well, wasn't there only a few ppl in the wing that the "caugh" plane hit. Man, all that caughing, must be getting a cold;) Never was much into conspiracy theory but the lack of proof about the pentagone crash and also, to butter it up a little bit more, that conversation Between Barbara Olsen and her houseban was a tad too dramatic imho. keep wagging the dog:D |
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Concorde takes off at 220 knots (250mph) (compared with 165 knots for most subsonic aircraft). She cruises at around 1350mph - more than twice the speed of sound - and at an altitude of up to 60,000 ft (over 11 miles high). MACH 2.. |
Was under the impression a concorde flight speed was about 500mph
Just did the math. The top speed a concorde will achive will be of 1354mph. Thanks for correcting me on this alkizz:) |
What a boring world it would be if there were no Liberals......
 El Al Flight 1862, Amsterdam Quote from Pentagon Attack Plane Was An El Al Lookalike Flights 77 and 1862 both had "vanishing" wings Joe Vialls Many weeks ago I wrote a report designed to rebut arcane French suggestions that American Airlines Flight 77 did not strike the Pentagon on September 11, 2001. According to the French, the building was allegedly hit either by a much smaller aircraft, or perhaps by a bomb planted inside the Pentagon by its own ”evil” occupants, the United States Military. Though I was not surprised by such extraordinary suggestions from a bunch of wine swilling Parisians, I was certainly surprised by the immediate and rampant American response. Within days, hundreds of US bulletin boards and web sites were awash with similar claims. It was an incredibly successful “divide and rule” exercise that pitted American against American, and civilian against soldier. Needless to say, the French were delighted. The apparent problem was quite simple. American Airlines Flight 77 was a Boeing 757 twin-jet with a wingspan of 124 feet, but the hole in the Pentagon was less than 124 feet across. Conspiracy heaven! Obviously then, according to those determined to undermine American national security, the attack aircraft was a remotely-controlled F-16 fighter or Martell missile, almost certainly guided to its American military target by a crazed four-star American general buried deep inside Cheyenne Mountain at NORAD headquarters. My original report sought to stem this rising tide of disinformation by using the personal example of a British Mach 2 Lightning fighter with a wingspan of 35 feet, which vanished completely into a hole in the ground with a diameter of only 22 feet. Unfortunately I could not prove this with a photo because the 400 mph Lightning crash occurred at the height of the Cold War, and anyone [including me] caught taking happy snaps of the impact crater with a Brownie box camera, would probably still be locked up in the Tower of London today. What I should have done instead, was conduct a simple Internet search for photographs of civil equivalents of this exact phenomena where a big plane vanishes into a small hole. So should the French… Not far north of the wine-swilling Parisians lies the elegant Dutch city of Amsterdam, whose residents had a terrible shock at 6:35 PM on October 4, 1992. Henk Prijt in the suburb of Bijlmer put it this way:.......... http://homepage.ntlworld.com/stevese...n/pentagon.htm  Take a close look at the Bijlmer photographs and the Pentagon graphic, because we are about to take a short though very simple crash course in the dynamics of flight. Not for us the overly complicated scientific equations, and accredited academic “experts” who manage to confuse everyone apart from their own students. In the simplest of terms and purely for background information, the energy produced by any object hitting another object, is the product of the first object’s mass [weight] multiplied by its velocity [speed]. In these terms Flight 77 had a mass of 240,000 pounds when it hit the Pentagon at +/- 450 mph, and Flight 1862 had a mass of about 680,000 pounds when it hit the Bijlmer apartment block at 255 mph. Both aircraft therefore produced colossal energy on contact with targets constructed from very similar materials, i.e. concrete. A high proportion of the mass in any aircraft is contained within its fuselage, which presents a very small cross section at the point of impact, relative to the thin but very wide and fragile wings. Thus in both cases the high mass and low cross section caused Flight 77 and Flight 1862’s fuselages to punch holes deep into and through the concrete targets. The wings are a different matter. By design the wings are immensely strong but also very brittle, and in both these cases swept back for aerodynamic efficiency. Put simply they cannot compete with the speed [velocity] of penetration of the fuselage [mass], and simply snap off on impact. This is an aeronautical reality that can be observed in thousands of assorted crash photographs. The problem when an aircraft hits a flat building is that, although the wings snap off, they still have enormous inertia and will continue moving forward if at all possible. With swept wing aircraft, the tendency is for the angled wings to collapse back along the sides of the fuselage section, very much in the manner of swing-wing aircraft such as the General Dynamics F111 and Panavia Tornado. Now think about this very carefully, because these events are happening at hundreds of miles per hour – hardly the ideal medium for visual observation. Because both aircraft have swept wings, the first part of the wing to hit the target is the wing root at the inner front of the wing, considerably further forward than the wingtip. In the first microsecond of impact the front of the swept wing starts to fold back as it collapses, and perhaps in the next two or three microseconds the wings are crushed inwards and backwards to less than half the original wingspan. This is proved beyond any doubt by the pictures of the Bijlmer crash site shown above. El Al Flight 1862, a Boeing 747-200, had a wiingspan of 212 feet, is known to have crashed with its wings level, but the gap in the tower block is only half that wide.  Next we have the vexed question of aircraft debris as understood by the public, i.e. identifiable parts of the aircraft that can be visually matched to an aircraft schematic diagram, or even mechanical parts that can be visually matched to items in the manufacturer’s handbook. Look at the Bijlmer crash site again. Can you see any large or even small wing sections? Can you see engines, or perhaps part of the tail assembly? In fact, can any of you positively identify any single aircraft bolt, or human body part belonging to El Al Flight 1862? No, absolutely not, because the dynamics of the crash and the fire that followed immediately afterwards, fragmented and burned more than 300 tons of aircraft completely beyond recognition. The only way we can be sure that the photographs show us the real crash site of El Al Flight 1862 is to rely on air traffic control records, eyewitnesses at the scene, and the multiple media reports that followed. It must be said that the French only showed American viewers the photographs it wanted them to see – a known and much abused media trick. The more comprehensive photographs circulated by the Pentagon shortly after the crash show conclusively that the aircraft penetrated three of the Pentagon “rings”, i.e. rings of office blocks circling the center gardens, each with its own “garden” space in-between. Such a structure is as difficult to penetrate by an aircraft, as a bullet fired through individual separated baffle plates on a firing range. I have neither the Cray supercomputer nor the time needed to do exact calculations, but I can assure you that the “object” which hit the Pentagon was of enormous weight travelling at very high velocity. In fact, it was American Airlines Flight 77. The only thing that allowed the French to put up this widespread myth in the first place, was the lack of a second aircraft directed at the Pentagon, which would certainly have been recorded by media cameras. The planners of the attack probably thought this unnecessary, because Flight 77 appears to have been largely a decoy. |
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Sinner, you are a joker;) Just did several research on flight 77. What struck me odd is those images compared to the angle of flight 77 Quote:
Like I said earlier, it's amazing that a 300$ camcorder can do a better job filming true event than security cam at the pentagone:doh: |
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http://members.fortunecity.com/911/p...er/bijlmer.htm however he does know that 9/11 did not happen the way our media tells us. he even contradicts himself sometimes ;) http://www.joevialls.co.uk/myahudi/fortress1.html http://www.joevialls.co.uk/transpositions/marriott.html http://www.joevialls.co.uk/sublimina...tion/oil2.html http://www.joevialls.co.uk/transpositions/concorde.html |
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forgot to post the pic to my reply to sinner
Floyd, thank you for conferming i'm not going:J: |
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Thats a new one:AP: However too make the point a little better it would have been much more believable to have side by side comparisons of the specified parts from each craft. However the author didn't bother with this though it was well put together. It's easy to say that debris resembles a Global Hawk but if there were similar parts side by side? The #1 question is if it was a Global Hawk where are the 60 some odd people from flight 77? Or were they made up as well? The hardest thing to swallow about any conspiracy theory on this is people died..... alot of people......A conspiracy could be imagined with only a few deaths but not on this scale. They would have to make alot of people vanish or create alot of false identities? |
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The majority of security camera's in use do not shoot continuous like a camcorder which shoots as much as 30 "give or take a few" frames per second. Security cameras tend to shoot on selected intervals to save on film etc. Take gas stations for example the camera's in use there may only snap a picture once every ten seconds. Just because the monitor inside looks real time and smooth only a few frames are recorded. Assuming the pentagon had a rather high tech security camera I would still doubt if it shot more than 3-5 frames per second. So played back at real time the picture would most likely be very choppy or appear to miss frames. They're not looking to make home video's to sit down and watch with the kids. :cr: |
This is somewhat interesting. The sun seems to be on the right side of the photo, so 2 seconds before the impact there should have been at least a shadow of the airplane approaching....
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if i showed you a video tape of osama killing your mother would you still think it's fake? you make what happened at the pentagon (i noticed how you spelled it and it offended me greatly, people died there and you trivialize it.) if you really believe the things you type it's quite possible you are my enemy. the lack of respect in this thread for the murdered people in the pentagon is appalling. shame on you. |
AMERICAN AIRLINES FLIGHT 77
American Airlines Flight 77, from Washington to Los Angeles, crashed into the Pentagon with 64 people aboard. CREW Charles Burlingame of Herndon, Virginia, was the plane's captain. He is survived by a wife, a daughter and a grandson. He had more than 20 years of experience flying with American Airlines and was a former U.S. Navy pilot. David Charlebois, who lived in Washington's Dupont Circle neighborhood, was the first officer on the flight. "He was handsome and happy and very centered," his neighbor Travis White, told The Washington Post. "His life was the kind of life I wanted to have some day." Michele Heidenberger of Chevy Chase, Maryland, was a flight attendant for 30 years. She left behind a husband, a pilot, and a daughter and son. Flight attendant Jennifer Lewis, 38, of Culpeper, Virginia, was the wife of flight attendant Kenneth Lewis. Flight attendant Kenneth Lewis, 49, of Culpeper, Virginia, was the husband of flight attendant Jennifer Lewis. Renee May, 39, of Baltimore, Maryland, was a flight attendant. PASSENGERS Paul Ambrose, 32, of Washington, was a physician who worked with the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services and the surgeon general to address racial and ethnic disparities in health. A 1995 graduate of Marshall University School of Medicine, Ambrose last year was named the Luther Terry Fellow of the Association of Teachers of Preventative Medicine. Yeneneh Betru, 35, was from Burbank, California. M.J. Booth Bernard Brown, 11, was a student at Leckie Elementary School in Washington. He was embarking on an educational trip to the Channel Islands National Marine Sanctuary near Santa Barbara, California, as part of a program funded by the National Geographic Society. Suzanne Calley, 42, of San Martin, California, was an employee of Cisco Systems Inc. William Caswell Sarah Clark, 65, of Columbia, Maryland, was a sixth-grade teacher at Backus Middle School in Washington. She was accompanying a student on an educational trip to the Channel Islands National Marine Sanctuary near Santa Barbara, California, as part of a program funded by the National Geographic Society. Asia Cottom, 11, was a student at Backus Middle School in Washington. Asia was embarking on an educational trip to the Channel Islands National Marine Sanctuary near Santa Barbara, California, as part of a program funded by the National Geographic Society. James Debeuneure, 58, of Upper Marlboro, Maryland, was a fifth-grade teacher at Ketcham Elementary School in Washington. He was accompanying a student on an educational trip to the Channel Islands National Marine Sanctuary near Santa Barbara, California, as part of a program funded by the National Geographic Society. Rodney Dickens, 11, was a student at Leckie Elementary School in Washington. He was embarking on an educational trip to the Channel Islands National Marine Sanctuary near Santa Barbara, California, as part of a program funded by the National Geographic Society. Eddie Dillard Charles Droz Barbara Edwards, 58, of Las Vegas, Nevada, was a teacher at Palo Verde High School in Las Vegas. Charles S. Falkenberg, 45, of University Park, Maryland, was the director of research at ECOlogic Corp., a software engineering firm. He worked on data systems for NASA and also developed data systems for the study of global and regional environmental issues. Falkenburg was traveling with his wife, Leslie Whittingham, and their two daughters, Zoe, 8, and Dana, 3. Zoe Falkenberg, 8, of University Park, Maryland, was the daughter of Charles Falkenberg and Leslie Whittingham. Dana Falkenberg, 3, of University Park, Maryland, was the daughter of Charles Falkenberg and Leslie Whittingham. Joe Ferguson was the director of the National Geographic Society's geography education outreach program in Washington. He was accompanying a group of students and teachers on an educational trip to the Channel Islands in California. A Mississippi native, he joined the society in 1987. "Joe Feguson's final hours at the Geographic reveal the depth of his commitment to one of the things he really loved," said John Fahey Jr., the society's president. "Joe was here at the office until late Monday evening preparing for this trip. It was his goal to make this trip perfect in every way." Wilson "Bud" Flagg of Millwood, Virginia, was a retired Navy admiral and retired American Airlines pilot. Dee Flagg Richard Gabriel Ian Gray, 55, of Washington was the president of a health-care consulting firm. Stanley Hall, 68, was from Rancho Palos Verdes, California. Bryan Jack, 48, of Alexandria, Virginia, was a senior executive at the Defense Department. Steven D. "Jake" Jacoby, 43, of Alexandria, Virginia, was the chief operating officer of Metrocall Inc., a wireless data and messaging company. Ann Judge, 49, of Virginia was the travel office manager for the National Geographic Society. She was accompanying a group of students and teachers on an educational trip to the Channel Islands in California. Society President John Fahey Jr. said one of his fondest memories of Judge is a voice mail she and a colleague once left him while they were rafting the Monkey River in Belize. "This was quintessential Ann -- living life to the fullest and wanting to share it with others," he said. Chandler Keller, 29, was a Boeing propulsion engineer from El Segundo, California. Yvonne Kennedy Norma Khan, 45, from Reston, Virginia was a nonprofit organization manager. Karen A. Kincaid, 40, was a lawyer with the Washington firm of Wiley Rein & Fielding. She joined the firm in 1993 and was part of the its telecommunications practice. She was married to Peter Batacan. Norma Langsteuerle Dong Lee Dora Menchaca, 45, of Santa Monica, California, was the associate director of clinical research for a biotech firm. Christopher Newton, 38, of Anaheim, California, was president and chief executive officer of Work-Life Benefits, a consultation and referral service. He was married and had two children. Newton was on his way back to Orange County to retrieve his family's yellow Labrador, who had been left behind until they could settle into their new home in Arlington, Virginia. Barbara Olson, 45, was a conservative commentator who often appeared on CNN and was married to U.S. Solicitor General Theodore Olson. She twice called her husband as the plane was being hijacked and described some details, including that the attackers were armed with knives. She had planned to take a different flight, but she changed it at the last minute so that she could be with her husband on his birthday. She worked as an investigator for the House Government Reform Committee in the mid-1990s and later worked on the staff of Senate Minority Whip Don Nickles. Ruben Ornedo, 39, of Los Angeles, California, was a Boeing propulsion engineer. Robert Penniger, 63, of Poway, California, was an electrical engineer with BAE Systems. Lisa Raines, 42, was senior vice president for government relations at the Washington office of Genzyme, a biotechnology firm. She was from Great Falls, Virginia, and was married to Stephen Push. She worked with the U.S. Food and Drug Administration on developing a new policy governing cellular therapies, announced in 1997. She also worked on other major health-care legislation. Todd Reuben, 40, of Potomac, Maryland, was a tax and business lawyer. John Sammartino Diane Simmons George Simmons Mari-Rae Sopper of Santa Barbara, California, was a women's gymnastics coach at the University of California at Santa Barbara. She had just gotten the post August 31 and was making the trip to California to start work. Bob Speisman, 47, was from Irvington, New York. Hilda Taylor was a sixth-grade teacher at Leckie Elementary School in Washington. She was accompanying a student on an educational trip to the Channel Islands National Marine Sanctuary near Santa Barbara, California, as part of a program funded by the National Geographic Society. Leonard Taylor was from Reston, Virginia. Leslie A. Whittington, 45, was from University Park, Maryland. The professor of public policy at Georgetown University in Washington was traveling with her husband, Charles Falkenberg, 45, and their two daughters, Zoe, 8, and Dana, 3. They were traveling to Los Angeles to catch a connection to Australia. Whittington had been named a visiting fellow at Australian National University in Canberra. John Yamnicky, 71, was from Waldorf, Maryland. Vicki Yancey Shuyin Yang Yuguag Zheng just so you know whose lives you so enjoy shitting on. :m: |
For Miss_silver: However, this photograph clearly shows airplane debree...
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BTW, i've discovered some very interesting facts about the passenger list. Have you noticed that after some passenger's name, there is no description of who they were or what they did? I certainly did! In fact, went on yahoo to get more pics of the pentagon crash an typed in pentagon photos 9/11 You might want to check out the results:o Now according to the cnn passenger list, because that's where you took it from let's examine some of the names of the deceased that practically have no or little description of what they did in life Cnn list description for those passenger Dong Lee Ruben Ornedo, 39, of Los Angeles, California, was a Boeing propulsion engineer. Chandler Keller, 29, was a Boeing propulsion engineer from El Segundo, California. Stanley Hall, 68, was from Rancho Palos Verdes, California. Dong Lee, Ruben Ornedo, and Chad Keller all worked for Boeing. Lee also worked for the NSA. Stanley Hall, “the dean of electronic warfare,” (along with Peter Gay, David Kolvacin, and Kenneth Waldie on other flights), worked for Raytheon. William Caswell William Caswell was a particle physicist who worked for the Navy. His job was so classified that his family had no clue as to what he did and did not know why he was flying to California. Charles Droz Charles Droz, LCDR USN Ret, was a software developer for EM solutions (manufacturer of Wide Area Networks). Robert Penniger, 63, of Poway, California, was an electrical engineer with BAE Systems. Robert Penniger worked for BAE Systems, (“an industry leader in flight control systems”), whose Board is comprised of many from the intelligence community. BAE has apparently removed their Board of Directors page, but it list a "who's who" of high level connections to the CIA, DARPA, and NSA. John Sammartino Leonard Taylor was from Reston, Virginia. John Sammartino and Leonard Taylor worked at Xontech (missile defense), another company connected to the intelligence community, also with ties to Boeing. Vicki Yancey Vicki Yancey worked for Vreedenberg Corp, yet another company connected to the intelligence community. Her father describes her death as a “planned murder.” Her widower works for Northrup-Grumman. M.J. Booth Mary Jane Booth was in a position to know what was going on at Dulles Airport as secretary for American Airlines general manager. John Yamnicky, 71, was from Waldorf, Maryland. John Yamnicky, 71, Capt USN Ret, was a defense contractor for Veridian who had done a number of “black ops,” according to his son. Now I find this pretty fucking odd that those names mentionned above have no description what so ever on the cnn list. What's even odder is that beleive it or not, they were no arabs on the plane! Now, I call that disturbing facts about flight 77 and as time goes on, i'll keep digging even deeper for the truth of what happened. Here's the link of my info. |
found another interesting pic
Just b4 military spreadded gravel on the lawn in front of the flight 77 crash.
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Don't be fooled by the picture! Photographs have no depth perception. Judging by the size of known objects the grass you mention is several hundred feet from the building IMO. Also where does it say that is the exact flight path angle we're looking at. Your adding speculation not eliminating it:att: |
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Back to the subject at hand, how did this thread turn into a thread about UFO's?...
This past week George W. Bush held a rare press conference, after watching his press conference I can understand why they are so rare. It showed the real George W. Bush, a lying, bumbling idiot that rambled on like a kid trying to explain his bad report card while avoiding the truth... When asked how long the troops would be in Iraq his answer was, "As long as necessary, and not one day more." A more truthful answer would have been, I don't know but Bush refuses to admit he doesn't know how long the troops will be in Iraq and being truthful would imply that the troops will be in Iraq for a long, long time. Giving the "As long as necessary, and not one day more" answer ducks the question. As long as necessary, and not one day more, means the troops are stuck in a quagmire with no way out... On explaining to the American people how his administration got so much wrong on many fronts including that U.S. troops would be greeted as liberators with sweets and flowers; that Iraqi oil revenue would pay for most of the reconstruction; and that Iraq not only had weapons of mass destruction but the U.S knew where it was, Bush avoided answering the question instead he claimed Iraq to have been a threat. Unfortunately for Bush the facts show that Iraq was only a threat in the minds of the real Axis of Evil, Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld. American soldiers are dying in Iraq not because they had to but because Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld chose to put their lives on the line for some reason that the facts used to lead the country to war don't bear out. No weapons of mass destruction, no link to 9-11 and no real reason to put U.S. soldiers' lives on the line, just a lot of words and plenty of lies. People have to forget their politics and question why the hell American soldiers went to Iraq in the first place? Afghanistan we know, the Afghan government aided the terrorist attacks on the World Trade Center. Iraq didn't and yet Bush always tries to blend the two together. He willfully misleads the American people for his own reasons. Either he is evil and won't tell why he does so or he is an idiot who does it uncontrollably. The last thing America needs is a paranoid president that attacks countries he mistakenly believes will attack America... When Bush was asked, "Mr. President, why are you and the vice president insisting on appearing together before the 9-11 commission?" He answered, "Because the 9-11 commission wants to ask us questions, that's why we're meeting." When he was pressed on why he and Cheney are meeting with the commission together rather than separately his answer was, "Because it's a good chance for both of us to answer questions that the 9-11 commission is looking forward to asking us." He completely dodged the question. He has to hold hands with Cheney because alone he might mistakenly say something truthful and being truthful could expose his administration for what it is, a bumbling, paranoid administration owned by the big corporate conglomerates that put him on the board of the oil companies, gave him a baseball team and the presidency... When Bush was asked in the last campaign his biggest mistake made in his life, he joked that it was trading Sammy Sosa. With that in mind, when asked at his press conference, "After 9-11, what would your biggest mistake be, would you say, and what lessons have learned from it?" His answer was typical Bush, befuddled he answered, "I wish you'd have given me this written question ahead of time so I could plan for it," confused he continued, "John, I'm sure historians will look back and say, gosh, he could've done it better this way or that way. You know, I just -- I'm sure something will pop into my head here in the midst of this press conference, with all the pressure of trying to come up with answer, but it hadn't yet." That is the problem right there, he is still waiting for an answer to pop into his head but like he said, "It hadn't yet." This is a man that is way over his head. While he waits for an answer to pop into his head, Americans are dying in Iraq. Mr. President I'll give you your biggest mistake, the same one I wrote on June 30, 2003, occupying Iraq... It is a good thing Bush's press conferences are rare, they only show how much of a bumbling fool he is and that only aides and abets America's enemies. For the good of the country he should never give another press conference, it only shows America's biggest weakness, its president... |
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