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question..how many wars /skirmishes are going on in the world right now ?

question..what is the fightings about?

question..Do you think it has to do with religon and over population and lack of resources for the world?


We see what is called new growth when you move into your new subdivision the old growth nieghbours complain . The older growth nieghbours complain about the new grow nieghbours coming in and backing onto thier yards ..then the newest growth nieghbours complain about the next bunch.


This is what I see in y lil town daily.


Now try to imagine this on a global scale and not just in my town.

Throw a lil religon into the mix (globaly).



IMHO....Overpopulation /religon /stretching resources is the cuase of wars.

How do we sovle it ...


Any Ideas?



:hflag: :PIR: :beer:

Reduce the population (war works fine for this).
Increase technologies to ease the resource problem.

.... and the final one has no answer.
Monotheistic religions rather universally declare that there is only one god, and that all others are false. Hard to just "talk it out" when that is the starting point.

we find more planets to live on

one planet for each religion

Follow the money.

Blessed are the peacmakers

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/5193092.stm

I still think religion's purpose is to unite people, not to throw them into wars against each other. You can liken a religion to a loaded gun, but it still takes an individual to aim and fire that weapon. The people who abuse religion to foment wars are manipulative bastards, and the ones who get caught doing it should be tried for crimes against humanity. But you can't put a whole religion on trial, you can't tell all the members of a religion to stop practcing their faith. In the end all you can rightfully do is to try to convert members of volatile religions over to peaceful ones and try to teach people not to be so gullible.

Here's a fourth question to consider: are wars such bad things? My answer would usually be yes, but some might disagree. I guess you have to look at the circumstances surrounding each war individually and make a judgement because you can't just say that all wars are always bad. And even if you conclude that a given war is bad, sometimes the fastest way to end that war is to give one side the advantage. That must have been what the directors of the Manhattan Project decided when WWII was raging in the Pacific. They gave us the bomb, we used it to put an early end to the fighting. Then we helped rebuild Japan and we haven't nuked anybody since.

Resources aren't the problem, using them efficiently is. Overpopulation isn't the problem, localized high population density is. To solve those problems border lines need to be erased so people can move freely to areas of low population density where resources are less in demand. Religion isn't the problem, fear of strangers is. But when you have no idea how to solve the real problems, it's easier to attack people's beliefs and their lifestyles and make blanket statements like "Religion and overpopulation and lack of resources are the causes of war." People are the only cause of war and it would be better to treat people like the fallible, fearful, sometimes stupid human beings they are than to point the finger at vague concepts that few people actually understand.

the far right Conservative Christian forums are ecstatic over the goings-on in the Middle East...they see the events of the past few weeks as prophesied events signalling the onset of End Times, meaning the Rapture is imminent. a sample of the quotes, via Harper's:

frankly, if the Rapture means that the big Jesus vacuum is gonna come and suck these people right off the face of the earth completely, then it can't come soon enough for me.

Are you kidding me? Religion is the problem and always will be Mazer. According to you, what are the religions that are "peaceful ones and try to teach people not to be so gullible."??? I suggest you use your words wisely since Islam have a lot in common with another one I know... :shf:

Try Buddhism. How many Buddhists have ever started a war?

Anyway, you're blaming an institution for the evils that people do. People don't need religion to be violent, any excuse will do. It's just that for some people religion is a convenient justification, while for people like you religion is a convenient scapegoat.

I remember you stood up for me when my religious beliefs were attacked. Am I so different from everyone else that it's alright for me to have faith but it's not okay for anyone else? I won't endorse that. I have the God given privelage to believe what I want to believe, and so does everyone else.

LMAO! Good one Mazer. All of your kind conveniently forget your own religion whenever it suits you. Reminder: pursue heretical beliefs and you burn in hell, and in past times you often burned on earth as well.


Good for another chuckle; two words - holy underwear. heh heh - gullible....right.

Yes I did Mazer and still do and will as long as you have faith. I do not condone anyone for their beliefs, never did. If it suits them, let them be as long as they don't come knocking on my door to "share" with me their beliefs ;)

You are right, Blaming religion is a scape goat, should we blame the one who try to "guide" us through their religion?

albed, everytime you try to call me out on a point of Mormon doctrine you demonstrate the fact that you don't know what the hell you're talking about. Give it up.

If by "guide" you mean manipulate, abuse, or coerce, then yes, they should take the better part of the blame for the actions of their followers because they know that their "guidance" is selfish and evil.

Two things - one separate your belief in god from your religion. Your faith is your belief in god. Your religion is the man made institution on earth. Two very different things.

Second, is it possible to attack ones religious institution without it being an attack on ones beliefs? Is it possible that the religion of man has made mistakes in trying to understand god's will?

:)

Without saying anything about the accurateness of this statement... here's a map.


http://www.ccsr.columbia.edu/population/map/
"Researchers at the Earth Institute at Columbia University have developed map that projects where people will be living in the year 2025."

I can understand how you'd see everything in terms of "mormon doctrine" but the subject of my statement was clearly "all your kind", and the fact that religion simply does not give its members the "privilege" to believe what they want. I'll bet you have to keep your heretical beliefs about evolution to yourself so once more you're a living example of hypocrisy; contradicting what you claim to be your beliefs.







Uniting people with a loaded gun...lol.

This is where the line between devout believers and everyone else tends to be drawn. I understand that a lot of people don't believe in revelation or prophesy anymore and laugh the idea off as theocracy. Well, that's their prerogotive. But you'll find that a lot of people believe their earthly religion is ordained by God and don't make the distinction between the two.

It it certainly possible for people to mistake God's will, and I would venture to say that the better part of history has shown this to be true. People misinterpret their scriptures to mean that they should fight their neighbors, and often they do so on purpose. But when you attack a man's religion he's likely to take it personally even if he's just an innocent believer.

While you can't legislate religious tollerance, you can make hateful acts illegal and punish the people who commit them without indicting their beliefs. When you punish a man for his beliefs you make him a martyr. So people must be judged by their actions and not their beliefs or else we risk turning otherwise peaceful people into violent enemies.

I'm still at a loss for why you think I believe in evolution.

so you believe in creationism?

Note to self : When bottle of rum shows up ......do not post it politcal forum :edu: :o


Have always wondered this though ........

In the really really big picture of things?.........If there is a God and created the heavens and earth........Who created God so that God could do these things ?

I`m looking at the creation side right now .....so who created God?
Where did it ALL come from ?
:beer: :dunno: :beer:

Where is TG . . .

Lets get all this godShit out of here.

It's just all crap that can't be proved.

Mazer,

You are saying over population isn't a problem? And then you have the nerve to say mormons are the salt of the earth?

Maybe it's time to look outside your current box.

Some would tell you that God is not a creation and that therefore nothing came before him. That answer always seemed a little self-serving to me. I prefer to imagine that in heaven there is no concept of time, therefore there is no such things as before or after. But for mortals like us, who experience the passage of time, it's difficult to describe heavenly events using languages that uses tense, so usually we default to using a past tense to describe them. Trying to answer questions of eternal affairs using the language of causality leads to great confusion. I won't say that the truth is incomprehensible to mortals, but we simply lack the knowledge and experience to frame answerable questions about God and heaven. Maybe that's life's purpose, to experience causality, even for a short time, so we may better understand eterniy after our temporal existence has ended.

Yes, I mostly suscribe to the Genesis account of the creation of the universe, though I figure the book uses terms like light, earth, heavens, and day figuratively. A day in Genesis most likely was not a 24 hour long Earth day, for instance.

Is this what I've said?

i basically agree with you on this - that the questions of God and creation are likely to be far beyond our realm of understanding. for this reason, i cannot fathom why anyone would buy the simplistic and child-like explanation put forth by the Bible - unless they have to prop up the rest of thier belief structure.

that being said, i know evolution is an ongoing process because i have seen it. therefore, i also know that, regardless of whatever one's version of creation is, evolution (like it or not) is all part of the Master Plan :tu:

I think that's a good way of looking at it. The science itself is still young, largely untested, and widely misunderstood by most non-biologists, i.e. almost everybody. We'll know more as time goes on. The concept of evolution doesn't necessarily contradict creationsim, it merely contradicts a few specific creation myths. So until the theory of evolution explains certain things that cannot be explained by other natural phenomena I'm gonna reserve my judgement and try to keep an open mind.

http://www.p2p-zone.com/underground/...6&postcount=35

http://www.p2p-zone.com/underground/...5&postcount=27

http://www.p2p-zone.com/underground/...4&postcount=17

Oh, those little gems.

Even though I don't put a lot of stock into the evolution theory I still study it to try to understand why other people believe in it. Unlike you, who a couple months ago couldn't even spell Mormon, I don't assume that I understand other people's beilef systems better than they do.

"And now, as reported in the Tallahassee Democrat, there is direct evidence of evolution in Darwin's finches. These are the little birds to be found on the Galapagos Archipelago, on the equator in the Pacific. In the past 20 years, one species of the finch on one of the islands (Daphne) has moved in the direction of much smaller beaks. The reason is that another species invaded the island. This new species is much better at cracking and opening large seeds, and so the original group has now started to specialize on very small seeds.

What makes this latest finding very exciting is that the process whereby the finches are gaining smaller beaks - those that have smaller beaks get fed and survive and reproduce, and those with bigger beaks do not - is a classic example of the mechanism of natural selection. This is the idea first proposed by Charles Darwin in his "Origin of Species" in 1859, And what makes the finding doubly exciting is that it was these very Galapagos finches (and the mockingbirds, also to be found on the islands) that made Darwin into an evolutionist."

http://www.tallahassee.com/apps/pbcs...1/1006/OPINION

Ummm...they're called "religions". And I understand hypocrites well enough.

http://www.p2p-zone.com/underground/...2&postcount=33
Back when you were a pro-gambling mormon; and I could spell it right.

Even though I don't put a lot of stock into the evolution theory ... says Mazer


You're the fool that can't think straight. Please note that I said fool rather than dumb ass.

Hullabaloo

That mothers shall but smile when they behold
Their infants quarter'd with the hands of war;
All pity choked with custom of fell deeds:
And Caesar's spirit, ranging for revenge,
With Ate by his side come hot from hell,
Shall in these confines with a monarch's voice
Cry 'Havoc,' and let slip the dogs of war;
That this foul deed shall smell above the earth
With carrion men, groaning for burial.

Bicameralism

Machiavellia Intelligence

neural darwinism

foraging

emergence

It strikes me that they're not gonna need all their stuff pretty soon so if any of them want to unload a vacation home or power boat before judgement day I'll be happy to help.

Remember that rope through the eye of a needle thing.