The Tide is turning on Bush
 

Well, Well, now more than 50% of Americans believe the war was a mistake.
(For JCMD - Liberals AND conservatives) :MAD:

I guess it is going to take 90% and 10,000 dead Americans, but he will probably still stay in there.

And for What? Iraqis? Who really gives a shit about them anyways?

Certainly not me. I see no reason to have that country on our 'side', they all hate us and will all stick together against America.

Fuck em' and bring the boys (and girls) back Home. Now. :a:

agreed. we got Saddam, no WMD's - mission accomplished. the Iraqi's don't want to go to the next level - so be it. call us when the shooting stops.

Merry Bushmas
 

Hope Santa brings you a gross of Kleenex boxes.


You can print and frame this and keep it as an example of courage and determination.

A poster of your butt-buddy?

No thanks, you can jerk off to that, I prefer females.... :BL:

how about a gross of body bags?

no tears here....since the electorate made it clear they don't mind putting their kids' lives in the hands of this idiot, i'll invest no more emotion in the situation. as long as it's not my child getting blown up, i have no problem if other people want to sacrifice their children.

Still love calling them children and acting like their parents run their lives. If you had an honest bone in your body you could face the fact that they're adults who run their own lives and are usually trained killers doing work that would probably make you cry like a baby.




I see you're progressing from not caring about Iraqi deaths to not caring about American deaths except your own family. Eventually it'll boil down to the one thing you really care about.

i hear they were after the stargate...

http://www.worldofthestrange.com/docv249.html

Thought the gate was the Montauk Project :con:

in a democracy, people get the kind of government they deserve. you voted for it - you got it. :ND:

Most of the young servicemen and women are adults only in the legal sense.

Emotionally, they are still children who don't have the sense of how precious life really is, you usually don't get that until 30 or so.....

more to the point of my post, they are all, each and every one, someone's child...which is why i referred to them, not as children, but as other people's children. but albie missed the point, again. go figure.

OMG Kerry for 04!!!!! :D

Damn, I'd swear this was from a woman.:hip: Must be the hormones.




The hormones must fluctuate though:
http://www.p2p-zone.com/underground/...ad.php?t=20331




http://www.p2p-zone.com/underground/...ad.php?t=19437




http://www.p2p-zone.com/underground/...ad.php?t=19390




How precious life is indeed.:ND:
Occasionally the hormones settle down and reason prevails:
http://www.p2p-zone.com/underground/...ad.php?t=19566



Someday menopause will reveal the real pisser.:hmm:

So why do you quote pisser's post calling them plain children?

Ever heard of orphans knife? If you're referring to soldiers just call them soldiers, or maybe "children and orphan soldiers" if you want to hide the fact that they're adults and not helpless babies.

And you have such a wonderful picture of the parents doing that to their helpless children.

If you do a little research, you will find that the average age of an American Soldier is 19 years old.

http://www.ramsayreunion.com/america...cansoldier.htm

The average age of a casualty in Iraq is nearly 27. The youngest American soldier killed in Iraq was 18; the oldest was 55.

"Reserve components tend to be older," Moskos said. Another reason is that a number of special operations troops were also killed in the early days of the war, and they tend to be older as well.

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/0417-02.htm

my best friend's son signed up without her permission. he is 18. great kid, but he figured if he ever wanted to make it he needed to go the army route to help pay for college.

Parents do not sacrifice their kids, the kids get hammered at school at career fairs, parent teacher conferences, open house and any other time the services can get into the buildings that the armed services is the best way to get an education if you dont have the money or if you arent sure what you want to be, join the services, we will teach you.

Jesse went to boot camp, learned how to shoot a gun, get the shit kicked out of him till he spit up blood, drive a hum-vee, and how to cook. now he is in germany and is supposed to get his next set of orders in the next few days. we are hoping he gets to stay in germany or gets a post stateside.

if anything ever happens to jesse, i will be sure to let you know...so you can chalk it up to someone else's child being sacrificed.

it's an allegory, HB - don't get too carried away with it. it applies to the majority of the electorate who, by re-electing Bush, gave him a big thumbs up for sending America's military off on the fool's errand that is the war in Iraq.

perhaps i should have just characterized it as "sacrificing our military" to make it more palatable for you folks :uu:

It's propaganda knife and sometimes you cross the line with you tireless tirades. The largest part of the electorate didn't even vote. Add on the opposition votes and the vast majority didn't vote for Bush. Then consider that most who voted for Bush didn't have children in the military and your bullshit boils down to almost nothing. Same as your integrity.

http://www.capitalpress.com/election/summary.html

LOL, dont get to carried away?

now i remember why i don't post in this forum. i make a post and all of a sudden i am getting carried away?

cute. but what can you expect from a male.

i dont see anywhere he said he wants to see others kids killed
you want to twist it like he said something like that
but get real..
if you dont have a kid in the military over there its always going to
be 'others' kids getting killed
how someone deals with it emotionaly
is a personal decision
and non-debateable..


/still got nothing.. :N:

Great. So Helly got "carried away" by a "non-debatable" issue. That oughta keep her out.



She should be more careful about who she calls male when she's got more balls than the whiney manipulative bitches around here.

just because you declare a statement whiney
you dumb bitch..
dont make it so..
manipulative...?
look at you and some other farking self righteous, i am always right broken record patheticly trying to manipulate this thread..

you call it what you like
to most of us.....you just look like couple of out of practice trolls...

so acuse me of having a cry...
i am just so laughing at you...ffs

if i had the inclination...i would wonder who the "couple of out of practice trolls" would be in this thread.

I wonder who accused multi of crying? The bastards, they know how sensitive and easily upset the poor fellow is and they go preying on his weakness....wait, nobody said he was crying. I'm being manipulated into feeling sorry for him, damnit.

i could of sworn you accused knife of getting emotional about not getting emotionally involed in something..hang on
not quite

'tireless tirades'
i guess you ment tiresome
like the propaganda you constantly spout
but what line did he cross ?
your line?

'The largest part of the electorate didn't even vote'

you know full well
95% of them if they did/could vote would not vote for the right
so i suggest have a cup
you dont make any sense
with the integrity of slug vomit..you
shouldn't really question someone elses..

'Then consider that most who voted for Bush didn't have children in the military'

every willing to send off the kids from the lower classes into their money grubbing wars....comes as no surprise..

Maybe you consider it an act of courage, but personally I think he is a pitiful little bitch.

His unwillingness to even attend a funeral of a US service casualty shows a distinct lack of awareness, but even worse, a lack of character. His actions are those of a maniacal meglomaniac. Dont confuse him with the facts, his mind is made up.

I can only hope he runs across the right pretzel.

What act of courage are you referring to? Being nominated Time magazine's Person of the Year?

Bush has spent enough time with live soldiers, visiting them in hospitals and in the field, to show his consideration.

Following primitive rituals involving corpses has always struck me as ridiculous. Doesn't do the corpse any good at all.

Nuclear
 

Duck & Cover

whoohoo

please feel free to grab a complimentry tissue on the way in..

oh ..WHAT ?
none left ?

it must be all the complaining and hissy fit throwing we do around here..sorry

bring your own next time...

yes multi, re-read his top post, i even bolded the section i was talking about.

knife, you arent going to waste any more emotion on other peoples kids? well i hope no one you know ever has a child that gets sent over to iraq.

but as long as it isnt your kid who cares right? here are some sacrifical numbers for you with a link following. only 10,000 wounded and 1,334 dead, but you only care about your children right?

American forces suffered over 10,000 wounded in action [WIA] no later than early on the morning of 22 December 2004. The Operation Iraqi Freedom (OIF) US Casualty Status report of Tuesday 21 December 2004 indicated that as of 1000 a.m. EDT [600 pm Baghdad time] there had been a total of 9,981 American service members wounded in action. These figures are updated weekly on Tuesday. Twenty-two people were killed and 72 others wounded following an explosion in a dining facility at Forward Operating Base Marez in southwest Mosul on 21 December 2004. It is not clear whether these casualties were reflected in this report. If they were not, then this single event pushed the WIA number well over the 10,000 mark. In any event, for the month of December, the casualty rate was running at somewhat less than one casualty an hour. Consequently, no later than hours of the following midnite, in the early morning hours of Wednesday 22 December 2004, the 10,000th wounded in action casualty was suffered by American forces.

http://www.globalsecurity.org/milita...casualties.htm

oh, and i must be pmsing to get so carried away.

we got Saddam, no WMD's - mission accomplished. the Iraqi's don't want to go to the next level - so be it. call us when the shooting stops
this statement is ofcourse is a complaint
Hope Santa brings you a gross of Kleenex boxes.
no tears here....since the electorate made it clear they don't mind putting their kids' lives in the hands of this idiot, i'll invest no more emotion in the situation.
as long as it's not my child getting blown up, i have no problem if other people want to sacrifice their children.

is alot different to saying...


i want to see other peoples children being blown up

i'm well aware of the numbers, hb...but the American public essentially gave their blessing to this fiasco on Nov. 2nd by returning Bush to office. therefore, i can assume that the majority of voters are comfortable with this sacrifice and find it an acceptable price to pay for Bush's Big Adventure. i don't, but clearly, i'm in the minority. so be it.

as for your menstrual cycle, i'm not really clear how that's relevant here. feel free not to elaborate :D

her predictions maybe a bit whacko..
but that statement is packed with integrity

sorry to butt in on your discussion tk..

Even after I linked the statistics showing you can't assume this you continue to squawk it in full parrot mode.

I know your opinion is the only thing important to you but maybe you could back it up with some facts for those who are concerned with the truth.




multi calling someone wacko?....wow!

Who said that?

considering you dont have a clue how i voted in the election or even if i did...that is a pretty big statement saying that the american public gave their blessing. No the american public didnt, 51% of the VOTING american public did.

you are the one that told me not to get carried away, since you didnt say that to any of the male posters i figured i got it because im not male. just like when i post to a male i try to be very specific, cause i dont want to use words that would hurt their brain making them think...i figured you were being condescending since i am female.

have you ever noticed how few females post in this forum? the main reason why i dont, is because of the patronizing attitude men get when women try to talk politics. its as if we dont have the right to our say when you all start blabbering about the subject. Since we are female we get carried away or dont know what we are talking about.

again...
i said her predictions were
not her..
have you finished making yourself look the fool ,now ?


maybe you should give up trying to twist what people are actualy saying, into distorted debates that support your crap propaganda

So what kind of person makes wacko predictions? Lame.

Why don't you expand your vocabulary to include the word "tireless" so you don't have to pretend it means "tiresome"?

And just who said "i want to see other peoples children being blown up"? You can't seem to point them out.

you're seeing gender inferences where none exist, hb....and since i've previously used the phrase "carried away" here and here, directed at males, it's safe to say that any problem with the phrase is yours, and yours alone.

51% of the voters is not half of the population, but for some of those who voted for dubya, I think the message was clear...Keep us safe from those big bad, far away terrorists at the expense of our childrens lives. Let's hammer in democracy into Iraq even tho it's clear they don't want to see the coalition in their country anymore and let's us level another city to teach those iraquies who don't think like us, that they should from now on or be treated as an enemy. Either with us or agains us. The rest of the population who didn't vote, I place them in the same basket for the reason that, if you're too lame ass to go vote or atleast void your vote, you deserve the prez you get and all that comes with it. Unfortunately, in the real world, it's not easy to pronounce those words, sit back and watch the death toll rise every day. A lot of those young adults probably didn't even want to go to war but were forced to.

I'm sorry for your best friend Helly, not an easy thing to learn as a mother. You forgot to mention shopping malls in the list, a very popular spot for recruiting :MAD: On this, have nothing else to say beside, that it's sad to have kids recruted without the knowledge of the parents or legal guardians. If one cannot have a beer before 21, then one should not be able to get recruited before 21 IMHO.

I disagree with you on this, I highly doubt that it was tk's goal. Hey, some other users told me once, "Not to get my panties in a bunch" or "Must be the female hormones" Now that was directly an assault on my gender but hey, those who resort to those lame ass comments are the ones at loss for words. Politics can be a very touchy subject but hey, just need to watch some political debate on television to realise that some elected officials are also a bunch of bitches and trolls when they argue. Don't see why this forum should be any different.

Peace for the new year and hopefully, 2005 will be a better year for the planet.

Talk about patronizing attitudes, it's kind of interesting that hellbound chose to overlook this, which is the only example of anyone being condescending to her gender that I can see in this thread, while jumping on the knife.

Courage. Determination. Integrity. Balls. Albed's chief reason for participating in this forum seems to center on these concepts, not for the purpose of proving he himself has any of these qualities, not to prove that his champion, George Bush, has these qualities or even to say that the great cause, the war in Iraq, is based on any of these qualities, but to simply accuse anyone with the slightest ambivalence toward any of these of having an abject lack of these qualities.

It's interesting that even though it's quite easy to see that albed pretends that Bush is utterly infallible and the war in Iraq is of primal necessity, he has absolutely no valid arguments beyond a handful of platitudes for either, so instead he busies himself shooting at the feet of the opposition with equally weak and inane platitudes. In using this approach, ironically, he comes off like a cowardly little sniper, hiding behind the immutable facts of war and Bush's presidency for the sole purpose of putting other people down.

If he believes it shows he has 'balls' to attempt to discount all debate and dismiss all sentiment by claiming it arises from 'whiners and sore losers,' cry babies and women, we can only pity him for being so pathetically devoid of the integrity he claims to so prize.

Yes, I'm sure dishing out turkey last year in Iraq was entirely out of consideration and had absolutely nothing to do with the kind of self-serving political strutting we saw on the Mission Accomplished carrier photo-op.

Also, primitive rituals involving corpses certainly are ridiculous, however Vlad wasn't talking about those, he was talking about "a funeral of a US service casualty" in which case the 'corpses' are real human beings with real identities and real families and friends, and everyone knows they are not designed to 'do the corpse any good'--they are a matter of respect and an act of honor among the living. The fact that you are willing to dismiss the value of such solely to justify every nuance of the behavior of your infallible hero is predictably sickening and equally ridiculous.

It also goes to show why you cannot be taken seriously in talking about any aspect of the true human cost of this war--or indeed just about any other topic. If one claims to be concerned about Iraqi civilian casualties, albed will have a ready label for it. If one claims to be concerned about American service casualties, albed will have a ready label for it. If one claims to be unconcerned about either, albed will have a ready label for it. Apparently, if we cannot simply see death and destruction itself as a statistical footnote to the great aim, we're all just a bunch of women.

Dammit knife, you started this. Why couldn't you just apologize?




Lol @ miss_'go fuck yourself' crying about bunched up panties.




Wonder if Vlad's around to decide what he was talking about instead of being Ramona's puppet.

Who said I cried? maybe it would be your fantasy tho :PO: BTW, I didn't even acknowledge you even being alive in this thread, why the bashing all of a sudden? Oh, think I know, maybe because of
this.

Then again, you've given a stronger support to my thesis, you are a troll. With only 15 thread started in your name and 1128 posts, it only back up the fact that you enjoy trolling on ppl misery. Yes you are an active member in this forum, doesn't mean that you are a positive one or wanted for that matter. It takes a lot of ppl to make the world what it is, that's why I can surf through your trolling and others and take it with a grain of salt... I call it the spices of life ;)

About the panties being in a bunch, guess your post linked the original comment to the original poster ;) Thanks for making your feelings clear on this albed :ND:

Only ppl with week arguements will resort to name calling when cornered or at loss of words. Seems you never got out of your phase where you still try to ANALyse female behaviour

Anyway, I accept as you are. Hope you had a merry x-mas and will have a happy new year.

Cheers

Try this.

Could probably find 3 more but you know how you are.

Can't have anyone doing that to you though. It would be "an assault on my gender" ;(

stfu u retarded fool

you started it by infering that he was saying that he wanted to see others kids blown up when he said nothing of the sort...
i would suggest you start investing less emotion in this as well
you obviously dont have any control over them..
go and see your analyst...
he might be able to make some sense of your incoherent babbling



tireless ..right
ofcourse i know the word...
you just dont know how to use it

but thanks for the inspiration..

Uh-oh, the bong sucking monkey molester is back in his 'boss of the forum' mood.

Don't you ever get tired of your orders getting laughed at and ignored.




I know; tell me to laugh at you and make fun of your pathetic life.

That way I'll be following your orders like you were somebody.

so i am the arrogant one am i?
and your not being a fucking gimp
with your...
Why couldn't you just apologize?

i love you , man...


:rofl4:
bong sucking monkey molester


your beautiful...

I thought it was funnier the first time.



http://www.p2p-zone.com/underground/...8&postcount=33





I'll reuse it later after you've forgotten it again.

As multi put it so nicely, shut the fuck up you retarded fool

Nice to know that you take confort in small creatures dying albed, I love my cats and yes, they are like kids to me. If it gives you a hard on to laugh at others misery, so be it.

I laugh at other's stupidity.



You are absolutely hilarious.


:GY: :lol2: :EL2: :BRG: :lmao: :BYL: :BL: :EL: :rofl2: :rofl4: :blul:

how we entertain each other so ...:uu:

You really ought to get a better RULER of courage and determination albed. ;( ;( ;(

Papa, are you proud of albed now? HAHAHA :BL: :BL: :BL:

BTW, I really enjoyed the ass-whippin' multi gave you.

AHAHAHA :f: :f: :f:

wtf ?
 

didnt meant it to appear like that..

even though he thinks i molest monkeys..i dont really dislike the guy

Well, I dont even know who Ramona is, so I guess im as suckass of a puppet as bushler is a president.

Is that a good thing? lets see, in 1940 it was stalin and 1980 it was Ayatullah Khomeini. Doesnt take courage, just significance, and bush is a significant fuckup.

On a real note troll boy, I never said anything about an act of courage on his part, simply bc i believe he has no courage to show. I discussed his LACK of courage, and the fact that he is a bitch ass.

Well, Im no fan of funerals, but they are for the living who grieve, and it wouldnt hurt our fucktard in chief to show some respect to those who die for his personal reasons.

However I am done with responding to you trollboy, but I did enjoy laughing at you.... and yes, we really do look down on ignorant pos bush supporters like you. And yes, we do make fun of you ........

:BGA: :BGA: :tu: :tu: :BGA: :BGA:

It's a question. You are apparently referring to some courageous act. Do you actually know what you are saying or do words just gush from your brain like diarrhea?
Where was that discussion?
Don't see anything about a lack of courage. Maybe the discussion took place inside your twisted little head.

You can't show anything to a corpse; it doesn't see, doesn't hear. But ignorant people have believed in ghosts and the necessity of placating them for centuries and small minds just can't overcome the habit.

lol

I will start here,

HellBound did not say 51% of the voters is half the population of the US, it was even typed in CAPS. Read it again, and again. Then maybe you will understand it. Keep us safe from the big bad terrorist who killed thousands upon thousands of innocent lives in several different countries around the world you mean. These terrorist killed children, and I mean children (under the age of 16), not your logic calling every son and daughter no matter what there age a child.

What is clear is the fact you have no clue what you are talking about. The people who do not want democracy are the Sunni's which is 20% of the population - Saddam was a Sunni as was the Baath Party he ran – They maintained control by murdering thousands of Iraqis a year, and threatening that, and worse, to anyone thinking of resisting. The government countermeasures included kidnapping, torture, mutilation and group punishment. That last measure was one of the most effective. If someone was known, or thought, to be against the government, their family could be arrested, tortured or murdered. Because of this bloody history of brutal ruling techniques, many, inside and outside the Arab world – including you miss silver -, insist that Arabs cannot be ruled as a democracy. The Kurds and Shia Arabs of Iraq disagree with this. But Iraq will be the first real Arab democracy in the region, and the continued brutal Sunni Arab resistance to this puts the new democracy to a harsh test. Because the Sunni’s have murdered so many people they are worried when the Kurds and Shia Arabs take power they will be murdered or worse. Of course a democracy may not work and that could lead to a war much like the American Revolution.






No one is forced into the military in the USA, it is 100% voluntary.


Are you saying they should lower the drinking age to 18? Coming from a military family my opinion will differ I guess, I think everyone should serve a minimum of two years in the military

Voluntary to join? yes
Voluntary in the event a short sighted president chooses to send you on an ill conceived and ill fated fools errand? hell no.

Which terrorists are you talking about? Bush the terrorist? Blain the terrorist? Osama? Who?

Dont bother trying to villify the Sunnis, most of them werent baathist, they have every reason to be concerned about their situation in a Shiite controlled government. The majority of Sunnis had nothing to do with the events you have tried to smear them with by association. So dont try to imply that "Sunnis" did anything.... individuals, some of whom were sunni did horrible things, it doesnt condemn them all.

Well said, another rose colored glass perspective. Face reality, the elections will be a sham. Without participation from the Sunnis, there is almost no chance of any government created to stand on its own. More like the French revolution than the American Rev.

Which means either we either stand between them and get caught in the crossfire for another decade. Or we let them have at each other, and leave them in a situation that could easily become worse than it was under Saddam. In reality we cant leave, we cannot afford to relinquish control of the oil in such an undependable situation.

OFC the drinking age shouldnt be more than 18.

As far as required military service? No way, but then again, it seems the Godlovers always enjoy war more than anything else.