Eat a can of hell
 

Terrorist scumbag Yassin killed

*sigh* my only hope is that he suffered painfully.

those who live by the sword shall die by the sword

Yeah, very bright move:RE:

That's prolly why tens of thousands of palestinians took to the streets, screaming vengance agains the israelis ppl. The Hammas has swore to retaliate within a few hours.

Sharon just opened a Pandora's box today.

why am i not suprised you are against this...you'd defend Osama if given the chance.

I don't think so, this was not a smart move by the Israeli's in my opinion. You don't kill someone like this the way they did. Let sleeping gaints lay, someone worse then this guy will most likely take his place and he will now have more people then ever to join there cause because of it. Also, For the first time Palestinian terrorists hint they'll attack America now, because America supplies the IDF weapons and so on. Blood will spill into the streets, this solved nothing at all.....Just look at Irish politics over the last 800 years for examples.

so what alternative was there? wait for the PA to maybe think about dismantling the terrorists organizations that permeate their so-called "territory" to be in compliance of the road map they agreed to? if you think Hama's would eventually sit down IRA-style and hash out a peace accord you're kidding yourself, that whole area is a hell hole and the scumbags like Yassin only made it worse.

There will be no peace if things continue the way there are going. killing Yassin the way they did makes things worse, not better. If the British killed Gerry Adams like that, (they never would because they have more sense), bombs would be going off in NI and Britain. There is still plenty of violence going on in NI, you just don't hear about it, not like the Middle East tho.


To quote....

“Neither Jewish morality nor Jewish tradition can be used to disallow terror as a means of war... We are very far from any moral hesitations when concerned with the national struggle. First and foremost, terror is for us a part of the political war appropriate for the circumstances of today...�

— Yitzhak Shamir
Israeli prime Minister.

Hamas vows revenge

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How easy it is to label one anti-semite or just plain put words that one have not written. And how grand it is to rejoice at the death of one person.

Sheikh Yassin was the founder of the Hamas, a palestinian militant group which has nothing to do with the war on Iraq or 9/11. I wouldn't line him up with Bin Ladden imo. The Hamas was never much a threat to the US interests, they are mostly fighting the Zionist invasion of their territory.I do not defend any terrorist action taken against the innocents, against anyone for that matter. But from Sharon's part, it was a cowardly act to blow up and old man in a wheelchair. To the eyes of the world, today, Ariel Sharon became a terrorist.



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heh, you people are amazing...OH POOR OLD GUY IN A WHEELCHAIR WAAAHHH WAHHHH.....apparently forgetting all the innocent women and children (even babies) that this murderous thug ordered killed. the "world" has already thought of Sharon as a terrorist because in their blind anti-semitism they don't care about Israeli civilians, only the poor "suffering" Pals and their terrorist overlords. what was cowardly was letting Yassin live and spew his hatred as long as he did.

No, that is not true, Politics can be Complicated, Propaganda is very powerful and is a great tool. The Pals have it now. innocent women and children have been killed on both sides, the Pals just don't have an Airforce to do it. I am not defending the Pals or the Israeli's or saying Yassin should have the right to live. Time will tell what the aftermath will be because of this action, one thing I do know is more innocent women and children will be dead in the streets, on both sides.

well if killing these murderous leaders is so bad then why bother tracking down Bin Laden?, surely his arrest or killing would have a huge affect on terrorist activities.....so do you advocate leaving Bin Laden alone? if so then what do you say to the millions of Americans that want him dead and the families of 9-11 victims? you cannot appease these thugs, doing so only invites more attacks.

We are talking about apples and oranges now. bin Ladan needs to be killed. Kill him slowly for all I care.

Instead of missles they should have just sent in somebody with a bomb belt. Then it would be ok with the rest of the world.

Well at least it may have looked like an accident or an inside job....

why is that? is there some kind of stipulation that says

Killed x number of civilians = death
Killed less than x number of civilians = leave alone

?

Nope, its just Politics......

you sound like John Kerry, except he would say it's "nuanced".

this has got to be an bloke they have been planning to assassinate just at the right time, now the rest of western world is even more complicated in these attrocities these buchers continue to commit..

even more so does it appear that to the islamic world and all those kids growing up being taught to hate the west..that they are an oppressed people being attacked by high tech weaponary...used by us/isreali occupiers

of course its designed to escalate terrorisim...its exactly the sort of maneuvering that has brought it to the point its at now..

there will be a lot more fear to come as we get closer to our respective elections..

starting to think the only safe place on the planet at the moment might be china..

No, sounds like Dissent to me.......

funny, i don't remember all that moral indignation when innocent Israeli schoolchildren were blown to shreds in any of the countless attacks you apparently idolize.

i always knew you were stupid and childish, i guess we can add anti-semetic to that list too.

i have nothing against jewish people..
i hate to see kids on either side of this conflict being killed..
i am hardly expressing "moral indignation"
lol..ffs
believe it or not there are probably even some isrealis who also disagree with the approach israel and the US are taking to fight terrorisim..
probably because they see too that it will only ever escalate it..

Here's my question: if defending ourselves from terrorists only causes more terrorism, should we try negotiating with them instead? I think we're already doing what needs to be done, but if everyone else thing's what we're doing is wrong then what should we be doing instead?
That was uncalled for, span.

Mazer, Unfortunately, it's a religious war with Al-Q and Bin ladden. BiN did declare the Jiiad on the US way of life and it's occupation in several territories, even if it's only a handfull of troups. I'm afraid this one will stop at nothing into destroying US allies even the US way of living. It would be a good start to know if negotiation was even remotely possible. But in my opinion, I guess that all that Bin Ladden and Al-Q wishes are to see Usa crumble to dust. Bin ladden has truly to be stopped on this. So does some other ppl with too great power or influence.

Mazer, you should know by now that this PAbb is a troll layer. They can smell the stench of it from miles away;) Some of it's residents actually resorts to cheap passes in order to boost their misplaced ego. Anyway, it is and old quote... Violence always generates more violence. Right now, they are nowhere near a solution to peace talks right now.

looks like someone is on her meds and actually making sense. :tu:

defending ourselves from terrorists isn't the source of the problem and negotiating with terrorists is not an option. unfortunately, we're locked into the Iraq gig, which much of the world regards as a departure from the war on terrorism.

in retrospect, i thought the invasion of Afghanistan was absolutetly the correct thing to do...but i wish we had applied the resources we have in Iraq to Afghanistan to disarm the country, find the bad guys, and set that country right. instead, we left the job half-finished, completely squandered the good will and political capital we gained from 9/11 by invading Iraq, and managed to become regarded by the majority of the planet as the most threatening nation on earth.

as a result, we no longer have the moral authority to tell countries like Spain what they oughta be doing, we no longer have the political capital to influence the actions of other nations, and we have given the world ample reason to breed new terrorists.

we can't undo the mess we've created - we're gonna have to see it through and slog on. the job in Iraq has to be finished, no doubt about it...but it's been a costly diversion from the war on terrorism that's gonna take years to overcome.

hamas and the rest of the palestinian terror organizations, supported by the arab world and terror groups like al-kaeda and hizballah, are not fighting occupation. they are fighting against the existence of israel.

yassin was a murderous pig. yes he was in a wheelchair but that didn't stop him from taking part in terrorism. yassin signed a fatwa recently making it perfectly legitimate for women, even if they are pregnant, to become homicide bombers and murder israelis (in all, 80 women became homicide bombers, most of them sent by hamas. 7 exploded in israel, the rest were caught on their way to carry out an attack. at least 2 of them were pregnant when they were supposed to blow up and have since given birth in israeli prison). yassin also signed a fatwa making it perfectly legitimate for teenagers and children to become homicide bombers. it's strange, you know, the way yassin encouraged women and children to blow themselves up and murder innocent israelis instead of sending his own sons to explode (one of his sons was killed today in the strike). such actions were never condemned by human rights groups. yassin preached evil and hatred, urging muslims everywhere to kill jews. yassin and the hamas will never accept a jewish state in the middle east and they will do whatever it takes to accomplish this objective. even though he was old, wheelchair bound, and frail, yassin was an evil psychopath (just read what he did to his own family when he suspected some of them "collaborated" with israel) and master terrorist.

i should also mention that yassin personally approved operations against not only israeli but foreign targets (i.e. hebrew university bombing that killed 5 americans).

schmooky007

Ariel Sharon:The Jewish Hitler

The 'murderous pig' attribute goes both ways.

this is pretty good propaganda...
but i dont totaly buy it..
but it is important and is what israel wants the rest of the world to think..

this is weak selfserving propaganda..

ffs

:RE:

so they PA, which openly supports terrorists like Hamas never had a line in their charter that read "push the jews into the sea"? stop buying the bullshit orgs like CAIR and ANSWER feed you.

gaza is a pretty good example of people being slowly pushed into the sea...

at least they got this guy this time..i suspect israel has taken out a quite a few innocent people just trying to get him in the past..

now they have all the latest high tec weaponary that the US sells them on the condition that its not used to attack with..
they finaly get it right..

some prettty weak condemnations coming from the west...just like always,when israel does anything wrong..
nothing will chage the fact that israel is a place inserted by the west into the middle east..and there will always be resistance in region against it..and the whole thing was allowed to happen knowing full well what the outcome would be..
if it had of been madagascar where they ended up, i am sure they would have the native inhabitants in some refugee camp on some thin strip of land ..where they could also forced into the sea..

perhaps then we would of had a whole heap of angry africans doing terrorist shit..

excellent job at not answering my question. instead attacking jews, Hitler would be very proud of you.

i realise only jews live in israel..(or maybe this is just they way they seem to want it?)
and its only them i am having a problem with..or are you saying to speak against israel is to speak out against all jews worldwide..
be careful what you say here because,this is an intricate part of the propaganda they weeve..into the whole argument..along the lines of" if your not with us your against us" policy..

its clear jewish ppl that feel compelled to support every action that israel takes against PALs will denounce anything said against israel as antisemetic...

if i was advocating a hitler approach..hell i would be saying stuff like get all jews out of positions of power in the west ..and a lot worse things..

all i am saying we should be wary on what support the west gives israel + what comes out of the jewish owned western propaganda media machine wich has been finely manipulated for the last half a century..

make me out to hate jews all you like
but i have had long time pretty close friends that are jewish..

in reality i think you would find i dont have a problem with anyone of any race..

you realized wrong. 1.3 million arabs live in israel.

no.. some israeli policies should be criticized. but there is a new kind of anti-semitism in the air.. one that challenges the existence of israel and the jewish people. check recent polls conducted in europe.

lol.. western jews are the most liberal and naive people you ever gonna meet.

first, not all western media is owned by jews. that is a common fabrication made by hate groups. second, the west hardly support israel.

i'm sure you do :uu:

somehow i find that hard to believe.

scmooky already demolished your stupid arguement but this line was the best....it's like a racist saying "hey, i got lots of friends who are black!!"

just too funny.

believe what you like...:zzz:

now if i was to say i know arab people...

(wich i dont ..unless you count the guy down the chicken shop..)

we have a very multi-cultural area here..i have friends that are african that are from africa and ones that are from the states..and jamacia
i know several vietnamees and a host of indonesians and indians..all of wich i have got along with ok got drunk with..played pool..smoked numbers..ect all that good stuff
(i have visitors here that are japanese and american..quite often..bloody freeloaders ..;) )

its not that i mix with them all the time..
but you get to blend in witha lot of different cultures here and imo a positive thing to do...many aussies really fight against it and resent ..how many different cultures that has come here in the last 20 years..but more to their loss..

A pox on both their houses

I seriously doubt that.

If my mother would have been Jewish, I would have been too. Wether you're from USA,Canada, Europe, China, Japan, Russia North or South Africa or Australia, being born jewish is to be jewish, not american, not canadian... It just goes down with the bloodline according to their religion. Wether being white, yellow, black or purple with green dots, if your mother is jewish, it makes you a jewish person, wether practicant or not.

Strangely enough, If my father was jewish and my mother wasn't, I wouldn't be either:con:

yeh i guess your right..that liberal jewish US media is over looking this little gem..

we could argue the semantics of what constitutes being jewish all day long the point was it was rather funny that in one post he's calling Israeli's a murdering, oppressing horde and then in the next breath saying "oh hey look i lowered my elitist standards and actually associate with some dirty jews, just so you don't think i'm anti-semetic"

it's funny and in line with his childish view of the world.

where did i ever say "dirty" jew..or where did i even imply that they were dirty..ffs

full of very pathetic attempts of character assaination today zpan...

so what if i have jewish friends..do you know if i even discuss israel with them?
i can quite easily be a jew hater and know jewish people..
but regardless of how you try and paint me.. i dont hate them..

i probably would even say i am as wary of jews as i am of arabs..but thats beside the point..

you cant hold a political argument to save yourself..pretty fucn weak indeed..you have to be in this thread doing the tired old drag multi down to avoid the crux of the discussion..routine
the real action is elsewhere..lets see you drag that off topic..

don't try to run away from your anti-semetism now Mr.Brownshirt.

what is this "real action" and where exactly is "elsewhere"?

in fact...what the hell are you talking about? this thread is about glorifying the death of a horrible madman, let's keep it that way, OK?

so i am a fasict now..fcn lol lol
keep going..wahhhahaa..
:f:

all i see is a targeted assasination
of an important enemy figure..carried out exactly to plan..
using weapons sold by the US
(NOT for the purpose of attack)

defend the killing all you like..he was an old man..not many years left..i say they wanted to kill him before he died ...also i will say the people behind the palistinans and their agenda wanted it that way too
they werent going to let him die just like that no no..
they needed to kill a symbol..somthing that would hurt..enflame ..enrage..

Israel did create Hamas did they not?

This is a very good read.........

Sharon's Terror Child
How the Likud Bloc Mid-wifed the Birth of Hamas

http://www.counterpunch.org/hanania01182003.html

ohhh please.. is that the best you can do love? :)

i thought we were having an intelligent conversation, not a linking match.. and what's worst is the source.. a neo-nazi site. what i most admire about sharon is the way he always stood up against the arabs. an eye for an eye, give them a taste of their own medicine. see, the arabs are gonna kill jews anyway. if anyone is stupid enough to believe that what's taking place between arabs and israelis is because of so-called "israeli occupation" then they oughta get their head out of their arse (hint: there is NO israeli occupation taking place. israel didn't decide one day to simply march in and occupy the territories. these lands were won during war, a war that the arabs, as a collective, started.) like i said, the arabs will go on with the bloodshed. it's in their genes. they're cannibals. it doesn't matter if there's someone other than sharon in office. even when the leftist doves were running israel and were willing to give land to the arabs in exchange for peace the arabs continued to murder jews.

are you going to believe every crap you read out there? to answer your question, no, israel didn't create the hamas. the israeli government was interested in working with hamas to fight the PLO and reduce its influence in the territories, just like it served america's interests to work with the mujahideen and bin ladin in afghanistan in the 80s to fight the soviets and reduce its sphere of influence as well working together with saddam hussein during the iran-iraq war to fight against the new islamic revolution in iran.

and multi, since you constantly whine about how the west always supports israel and the unfairness of it all, here's an interesting article from the jerusalem post for you :)

Letters from London: Different strokes for different folks
By DOUGLAS DAVIS

If Osama bin Laden had been killed in the early hours of Monday morning, the sound of champagne corks popping in the Foreign Office would have echoed around London. British officials would have happily congratulated each other, and Foreign Secretary Jack Straw would have enthusiastically made the rounds of television studios to crow about "progress in the war on terror."

Somehow, Israel's war on terror means something quite different. Straw, currently in Brussels where he is, ironically, stiffening the wobbly spine of his European partners on terror in the wake of the Madrid bombings, was first out of the blocks with his denunciation of Israel's assassination of Ahmed Yassin.

The attack, he intoned, was "unacceptable" and "unjustifiable." Everyone understands Israel's need to protect itself against terrorism, but – and there is always a "but" when it comes to Israel's self-defense – "it is not entitled to go in for this kind of unlawful killing." Just four days earlier, Straw had told a joint press conference in London with his Italian counterpart, Franco Frattini, that, "Nobody can opt out of the war against terrorism. As far as the British, and I know the Italian governments, are concerned, nobody is going to opt out either." Nobody, apparently, except Israel. Different strokes for different folks.

But why is Israel's response to Hamas regarded as being so different from the West's response to its close cousin, al-Qaida? They are, after all, virtually indistinguishable in terms of ideological motivation, operational method and strategic objective.

Some argue that Straw is simply attempting to win back votes in his own heavily Muslim constituency; others argue that he is seeking to restore Britain's credibility within the European Union, where London – a full-blown combatant in the "war on terror" – is seen as Washington's patsy.

That might explain some of the motivation for Straw's apparently perverse response to the overnight developments in Gaza. But it is not the whole explanation. The point is that for Europeans Israel's battle against Islamic psychopaths who explode themselves in buses, bars, pizza parlors and discotheques are not part of their "war on terror."

While Europe is facing the imminent threat of dozens of its citizens being blown to smithereens, Israel is perceived to be engaged in a political-military struggle with a deprived, dispossessed nation that is seeking no more than the expression of its legitimate national aspirations.

If European political leaders have bothered to read the Hamas Charter, they have also chosen to suspend disbelief and simply discount the overwhelming message at the heart of that document: an absolute rejection of any negotiation with Israel and an uncompromising determination to destroy the Jewish state.

So when Israel targets the man who founded the organization, who embodied its zero-sum ideals, who inspired the deaths of hundreds of Israelis, it is regarded in the European councils of state as a noxious, hateful, illegitimate act.

The objectives that the Hamas Charter so clearly articulates – including a detailed religious justification for killing Jews – is simply overlooked in the frenetic drive to secure a "viable Palestinian state."

There is another deeply sinister reason for Israelis to be profoundly concerned about the European response to Yassin's death: Those who confidently asserted that the slaughter in Madrid would bring Europe to a greater understanding of Israel's predicament are dead wrong; on the contrary, as terrorist outrages permeate across the continent – and security experts are certain that they will – it is Israel that will bear the blame and European Jews who will feel the consequences.

Israel's "treatment of the Palestinians" and its "refusal to negotiate the establishment of a Palestinian state" are widely regarded among the political and media classes, as well as among the wider European public, as the progenitor of Islamic extremism and the source of Islamic terrorism. It is Israel, therefore, that is widely perceived to bear responsibility for having brought death and destruction on an industrial scale to the West.

Europe's leaders are always ready with a pro-forma condemnation when Israelis are killed, but there is no pro-forma condemnation of the killers. Rather, there is a profound and fundamental belief that Israel is the intransigent author of its own pain. I have lost count of the number of times European officials have told me: "Sharon is the problem. Arafat is the solution. And if you don't want Arafat today, you will have to deal with Hamas tomorrow."

In the face of further terrorist atrocities in Europe, there can be little doubt that Israel will ultimately pay the price, both political and economic. Nor can there be much doubt that European Jews will suffer the consequences of the virulent anti-Semitism that has been germinating across the continent since September 11, 2001. The stage has been set. It's show time. Again.

all this "old man in a wheelchair" shit is funny, i guess now they know how relatives of Leon Klinghofer felt.

Did you read the article? What is false in it? The article pretty much says Hamas is a terrorist group. What I got out of it is the fact neither side wants peace, both sides are just content on killing each other.

*splutters coffee over the monitor*
I thought legend had it that it was the Jewish who stole Christian children and ate them... unless... no, surely not... the whole thing's bullshit?

Look, plain and simple. The root of the problem is that in 1947, the UN (under severe political pressure from the United States which bordered on illegal) passed an "agreement" which offered the Jews 55% of Palestine, even though they only owned 7% of it. In my opinion, the US was attempting to make the best effort they could in what was a dire, dire decade. The Palestinians refused to accept these decisions on the grounds that:

a) It was illegally imposed because of pressure from the US
b) It gave the Israelis the better part of the land
c) It would be used as a basis for further expansion

All three objections were entirely understandable - but essentially ignored.

Now sure, sure. A Palastinian 'state' never actually existed and there had never been an 'Independent Palestinian State'. Before 1918 it was part of the Ottoman Empire. After that, British Empire. Fair enough - but the land was almost exclusively occupied by Arabs with a small Jewish minority which (for the most part) lived peacefully side by side with those Arabs. 'The problem' only occured when the huge influx occurred, declaring ownership of the better parts of the region, under the claim that the Jewish God had promised the land. At the risk of being labelled an Anti-Semite - I would argue that such a course of action is bound to piss off any owner/occupiers. Put it this way, if Russia declared that 55% of the US or UK should be turned over to a group of people in diaspora and turned into an independant state - what do you think would happen? I'll hazard a guess, at the risk of being labelled a 'stuffed-shirt Brit', that the average American would fight to the death. Beleive it or not, the average Brit would think along similar lines. Believe this or not, the average Palestinian Arab has similar feelings.

The Palestinians and Israelis are both courageous and determined people. Both feel that if they lose this war they will be killed or dispossessed, whether that is realistic or not. Though I hate the idea of segregation, partition is the only way forward. That has to include some way of guaranteeing the security of both Israel and Palestine from incursion by the other side. That might mean stationing half a million troops on the frontier, but I can't see a realistic and presently achievable alternative.

There isn't just two sides to this story (pro-arab/anti-semite or pro-Israel/anti-terror), that's a foolish mistake to make. It's a very much a George Bush fallacy in the vein of 'you're either with us or against us'. It's also known as a 'false dichotomy'. Furthermore, you will be very hard pressed to find anybody in semi-educated real life who is actually dense enough to proclaim "Hitler would be very proud of you" in response to the suggestion that Israel had acted improperly, or that there appears to be a curious pattern to US support. In fact, this one of the biggest strawman fallacies I can imagine. Neither 'side' are law abiding, neither 'side' has any more territorial rights than the other and neither are justified in their attacks. This latest one will only perpetuate the situation.

my point really was..
he could of died next month from old age...
but neither the pals or israelis would of probably wanted that..:att:

there is something ancient associated with the jews i really respect
is the cabbala/sepiroth
one of more important/powerful human symbols
i dont pretend to know all about it
but there is still much to be learnt
therein lies many answers
there is like most ancient ideas a beautiful colourful culture..
(i like ancient greek stuff for the same reason..)

anyway i cant say much against people who can only colour me a jew-hater
:N:
a jew-baiter or jew-investigator maybe
:f:

my respect for all cultures and races
of the world
past/future/present
has got nothing to do with how i may view the political agendas at any given point in time...
the lives of the innocent jews and the lives of the innocent arabs are of equal value and importance as the lives of anyone else in the world...to make out i think otherwise..is pretty futile..
:SH:
ok
so thats a little extreme in its presentation.:sorry ..but dont look like it was all made up..

so what about the bush family fortune being built from profits made from the holocaust...you are pretty silent on that one..
is it true?..if so why havent we heard more about it..?

hmmm...because it's not true maybe?

now remember multi, no horribly biased sources (i.e. counterpunch or OMGBUSHISANAZI.com) to try and back up your claims.

BULLSHIT...Britain is to blame, plan and simple...not the US...nice try,

---quote---
In 1917, Lord Balfour, the British Foreign Secretary, issued the Baltour Declaration, which promised British support for the establishment of a "national home for the Jewish people" in Palestine providing that "nothing shall he done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities" - a reference to the Arabs, who then were 92 percent of the population. The declaration was interpreted by key Zionist leaders as support for a sovereign Jewish state.

In the wake of the Balfour Declaration, and during the British mandate, Jewish immigration increased. So, in proportion did sporadic strife between Arabs and Jews. Immigration nevertheless continued and in the 1930s - with the rise of Adolf Hitler - and after World War II, Jewish immigration increased still further. As British efforts to control it generated widespread disapproval in the West and stimulated underground warfare by militant Zionist units against British forces, Britain eventually placed the problem in the hands of the United Nations, which in 1947 voted to partition Palestine into Jewish and Arab States.

Fighting then flared up in Palestine. Six months later, when Britain withdrew and formation of the State of Israel was proclaimed, the Arabs went to war against the newly declared nation. As Jewish forces were victorious - and as stories spread that some 250 Arab civilians had been massacred in a village called Deir Yassin - thousands of Palestinians fled, among the first of today's 3.4 million refugees and exiles. Eventually the United Nations negotiated a truce, but fighting became endemic and war broke out again in 1956, 1967, and 1973. The 1967 war triggered underground warfare by Palestinian militants, whose attacks were primarily aimed at Israel, but also included strikes in Europe and hijackings on international air routes.

ok..ok
if its bullshit its bullshit..
thats all i wanted to know..

they left that part out didnt they..

uh...no they didn't, it's even in the text i quoted :rofl:

from the clamor mag artical i ment
but..


http://www.clamormagazine.org/featur...3_feature.html
oops...lol it was right at the end..
:SH:i didnt remember it(slightly long read)

Oh please on ya;)

Will reply on this one in the morning, been on a 2 day cooking spree + a major cleaning of the place.

It's not a neo-nazi site, why would you think this? It's prolly the german cross on the isralie flag that might have did the trick? Imo, it was made to provoke.

well, gotta get back to that brocco cream now:AF:

Admittedly I left out Balfour as I see it as having little relevance to the current situation. My mistake. The Balfour Devclaration (and others before it) were a series of shitty attempts to ease the tension within the Arab population, after breaking free of Ottoman rule. I say shitty as they turned out to be worth less than the paper they were written on.

As you'll know, Arab tensions grew with over 500 Jews killed between (I think) 1936 and 1939, during which, the Peel Commission originally suggested the idea of partition - the Zionists accepted but understandably, the Arabs did not. The 1939 White paper restricting Jewish immigration did not exactly help matters - although it went some way to easing Arab fears, there are still those who will site the 1939 paper as Anti-semite or Holocaust supporting. Again, I suspect that it was a genuine attempt to intervene in what was (and is) an impossible mission.

After the British turned over control to the UN, the 1947 Partition was made under Rsolution 181. If you don't believe that this was made under duress from the US, then fine - I won't push you. But please let's not get into a 'who's the biggest asshole country' debate - it'll be neck and neck. As I said, I don't blame the US for it's actions - I reckon theirs was a genuine attempt, but as illegal and as ham-fisted as any other attempt - including those made by the UK (infact, the blame-game really goes nowhere - I thought the thrust of my argument was more about the fact that I cannot easily criticise a nation (if not a 'state') of people who are under occupation based on a flimsy religious claim and the 'word of God').

My point still remains that if the US/UK were told by Russia (or the UN) that 55% of its land (the better part of the land) had to be given away to a group of people in diaspora, and that it would lead to an independant state, AND that the current population of the US/UK had no real say in this matter..... you'd fight to your last breath - and rightly so.

First and foremost of all, we are talking about the palestinian population here, Not the whole Northen Africa arab population. Second of all, not all arabs are follower of the Koran.Third, what is an arab or arabia?. Forth What actually does constitute an occupation? IMO, any nations who controls the development of another nation is an occupation force. Basically your response for this is:OFFTOP:

Like I asked you earlier, What makes you think it's a neo-nazi site? If you were to explore it more, you'd discover that The Ariel Sharon Caracter is only a small part if it. Just try and take another look if you dare! you'll discover many more atrocities perpetrated by another type of terrorists:ND: And you might not like it a bit.

True, On this one, i'll conceed. The islamist religion is truly against anything that does not represent their religious and political values. Recently read some verses of the koran (only wish to have the book at hand to study it more). To make a long point short, if the quotes i've read on the web are true, The Follower of the Koran must islamised all the non beleivers and if they do not convert, the non beleivers inturn becomes 'the Infidels'. It is a very radical point of view imho. So either you bow to Islam and be 'saved' or you go straight to 'hell' according to the Koran... Now this does remind me of another long time standing religion that is caugh, caugh, now practiced by most of the western countries. Also True that the Koran is devoted to the almost systematic erradication of the Jewish ppl, why is that?

According to some research i've recently done and to quote you again on this

Considering that both 3 religions, Christianity, Islam and Judaisim holds the same prophet from the old testament, it's a pretty safe assumption to say that they all sprung from the same source. Christianity came form the Christ (the annointed one). Several Israelites converted to chirstianity after the death of christ...then again later on around 622, Mohammed had already 40 followers??? all of them were mostly semetic.

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So i'd be carefull about the arab genes statement if I were you since they were all arabs in the first place before all that religion shit messed it up... Either it was Christianity, Islamisim or Judaisim, they all share the same original gene pool, like it or not! Do you truly beleive that Jesus was white? Newsflash, either he was an arab or an essinian (still from arab decendence).

Imho, there is no solution about the israel-palestine crises, They will keep destroying eachother until they are no one left of the other faith. It's very true that the Jewish ppl are truly surrounded by a mostly muslim faith that the extremist uses also use as excuses for ethnic clensing, the zionist actually does the same thing ''deep chill in my bones''

The only truly thing i'm arguing here is that the Isralies even though surrounded, does not play it smart! To them, Yassir is truly more powerful dead than he was alive, because of these actions, there will be more bloodshed of isralites and palestinians. It is also true that if the US stop sending money to the state of Israel, they will prolly meet their creator sooner than they expected. It's also a truth that no US weapons should be used to exterminate any palestinians 'rebels' leader. Israel, by using the money the US is sending them to subjugate the palestinian ppl also invites more attacks on the american ppl by terrorists cells.

Just to give you an example on this... My ex boyfriend has a jewish friend that is totally into Sharon's view. The first thing he said about 9/11 was that it must surely have been the 'dirty palestinians' who did it!!! It truly was it's first reaction! I did let it rant all he wanted for the sake of the friendship between him and my ex.

So in this light, we have the old judaisim religion opposed by the newly (600 years later after christ) formed islamist religion.

Both sprang from the same roots... now who is right and who is wrong:con:

Both are wrong, infact any religion who proclaim that if they (you) do not embrace their views, you'll be damned to hell... that's a scary thought.

But to come back on track about out contreversial Ariel Sharon figure, here are some facts... To quote again from the same caugh caugh so labeled neo-nazi site

.Should I go on?

Now if you could come up with some valid numbers of Palestinian killed at the Hand of Sharon vs the Isralies killed at the hands of the palestinians we could begin some serious talk about this horrid matter.

Also imho, It is sad to compare palestinians as terrorists considering that there weapon is they body and life against Israel weapon power provided by the good ole USofA.

No, Yassir was no saint, he was as sick as Ariel Sharon is right now.

This just to tell that the 'Holy war' is far from over if both sides want's to keep anahilates themselves.