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multi

22-03-04 04:04 PM

i have nothing against jewish people..
i hate to see kids on either side of this conflict being killed..
i am hardly expressing "moral indignation"
lol..ffs
believe it or not there are probably even some isrealis who also disagree with the approach israel and the US are taking to fight terrorisim..
probably because they see too that it will only ever escalate it..

Mazer

22-03-04 05:11 PM

Here's my question: if defending ourselves from terrorists only causes more terrorism, should we try negotiating with them instead? I think we're already doing what needs to be done, but if everyone else thing's what we're doing is wrong then what should we be doing instead?

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Originally posted by span
i always knew you were stupid and childish, i guess we can add anti-semetic to that list too.

That was uncalled for, span.

miss_silver

22-03-04 06:03 PM

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Originally posted by Mazer
Here's my question: if defending ourselves from terrorists only causes more terrorism, should we try negotiating with them instead? I think we're already doing what needs to be done, but if everyone else thing's what we're doing is wrong then what should we be doing instead?

That was uncalled for, span.

Mazer, Unfortunately, it's a religious war with Al-Q and Bin ladden. BiN did declare the Jiiad on the US way of life and it's occupation in several territories, even if it's only a handfull of troups. I'm afraid this one will stop at nothing into destroying US allies even the US way of living. It would be a good start to know if negotiation was even remotely possible. But in my opinion, I guess that all that Bin Ladden and Al-Q wishes are to see Usa crumble to dust. Bin ladden has truly to be stopped on this. So does some other ppl with too great power or influence.

Mazer, you should know by now that this PAbb is a troll layer. They can smell the stench of it from miles away;) Some of it's residents actually resorts to cheap passes in order to boost their misplaced ego. Anyway, it is and old quote... Violence always generates more violence. Right now, they are nowhere near a solution to peace talks right now.

span	22-03-04 06:45 PM

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Originally posted by miss_silver
Mazer, Unfortunately, it's a religious war with Al-Q and Bin ladden. BiN did declare the Jiiad on the US way of life and it's occupation in several territories, even if it's only a handfull of troups. I'm afraid this one will stop at nothing into destroying US allies even the US way of living. It would be a good start to know if negotiation was even remotely possible. But in my opinion, I guess that all that Bin Ladden and Al-Q wishes are to see Usa crumble to dust. Bin ladden has truly to be stopped on this. So does some other ppl with too great power or influence.

looks like someone is on her meds and actually making sense. :tu:

theknife

22-03-04 06:45 PM

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defending ourselves from terrorists isn't the source of the problem and negotiating with terrorists is not an option. unfortunately, we're locked into the Iraq gig, which much of the world regards as a departure from the war on terrorism.

in retrospect, i thought the invasion of Afghanistan was absolutetly the correct thing to do...but i wish we had applied the resources we have in Iraq to Afghanistan to disarm the country, find the bad guys, and set that country right. instead, we left the job half-finished, completely squandered the good will and political capital we gained from 9/11 by invading Iraq, and managed to become regarded by the majority of the planet as the most threatening nation on earth.

as a result, we no longer have the moral authority to tell countries like Spain what they oughta be doing, we no longer have the political capital to influence the actions of other nations, and we have given the world ample reason to breed new terrorists.

we can't undo the mess we've created - we're gonna have to see it through and slog on. the job in Iraq has to be finished, no doubt about it...but it's been a costly diversion from the war on terrorism that's gonna take years to overcome.

schmooky007

22-03-04 08:17 PM

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Originally posted by miss_silver
The Hamas was never much a threat to the US interests, they are mostly fighting the Zionist invasion of their territory.I do not defend any terrorist action taken against the innocents, against anyone for that matter. But from Sharon's part, it was a cowardly act to blow up and old man in a wheelchair. To the eyes of the world, today, Ariel Sharon became a terrorist.

hamas and the rest of the palestinian terror organizations, supported by the arab world and terror groups like al-kaeda and hizballah, are not fighting occupation. they are fighting against the existence of israel.

yassin was a murderous pig. yes he was in a wheelchair but that didn't stop him from taking part in terrorism. yassin signed a fatwa recently making it perfectly legitimate for women, even if they are pregnant, to become homicide bombers and murder israelis (in all, 80 women became homicide bombers, most of them sent by hamas. 7 exploded in israel, the rest were caught on their way to carry out an attack. at least 2 of them were pregnant when they were supposed to blow up and have since given birth in israeli prison). yassin also signed a fatwa making it perfectly legitimate for teenagers and children to become homicide bombers. it's strange, you know, the way yassin encouraged women and children to blow themselves up and murder innocent israelis instead of sending his own sons to explode (one of his sons was killed today in the strike). such actions were never condemned by human rights groups. yassin preached evil and hatred, urging muslims everywhere to kill jews. yassin and the hamas will never accept a jewish state in the middle east and they will do whatever it takes to accomplish this objective. even though he was old, wheelchair bound, and frail, yassin was an evil psychopath (just read what he did to his own family when he suspected some of them "collaborated" with israel) and master terrorist.

i should also mention that yassin personally approved operations against not only israeli but foreign targets (i.e. hebrew university bombing that killed 5 americans).

miss_silver

22-03-04 09:01 PM

schmooky007

Ariel Sharon:The Jewish Hitler

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Note: The description of Ariel Sharon as “The Jewish Hitler” is used because it is so perfectly fitting. Ariel Sharon is an evil, sadistic war criminal, an inhuman monster, as the events of today demonstrate and the following historical report makes clear. Reference is made to the fact that he is Jewish to illustrate the demented hypocrisy of racist Israeli and Jewish-American Zionists, who damn the Nazis while being virtual Nazis themselves.

The 'murderous pig' attribute goes both ways.

multi

22-03-04 09:28 PM

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they are fighting against the existence of israel.

this is pretty good propaganda...
but i dont totaly buy it..
but it is important and is what israel wants the rest of the world to think..

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homicide bombers

this is weak selfserving propaganda..

ffs

:RE:

span	22-03-04 09:47 PM

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Originally posted by multi
this is pretty good propaganda...
but i dont totaly buy it..
but it is important and is what israel wants the rest of the world to think..

this is weak selfserving propaganda..

ffs

:RE:

so they PA, which openly supports terrorists like Hamas never had a line in their charter that read "push the jews into the sea"? stop buying the bullshit orgs like CAIR and ANSWER feed you.

multi

23-03-04 06:12 AM

gaza is a pretty good example of people being slowly pushed into the sea...

at least they got this guy this time..i suspect israel has taken out a quite a few innocent people just trying to get him in the past..

now they have all the latest high tec weaponary that the US sells them on the condition that its not used to attack with..
they finaly get it right..

some prettty weak condemnations coming from the west...just like always,when israel does anything wrong..
nothing will chage the fact that israel is a place inserted by the west into the middle east..and there will always be resistance in region against it..and the whole thing was allowed to happen knowing full well what the outcome would be..
if it had of been madagascar where they ended up, i am sure they would have the native inhabitants in some refugee camp on some thin strip of land ..where they could also forced into the sea..

perhaps then we would of had a whole heap of angry africans doing terrorist shit..

span	23-03-04 06:37 AM

excellent job at not answering my question. instead attacking jews, Hitler would be very proud of you.

multi

23-03-04 07:30 AM

i realise only jews live in israel..(or maybe this is just they way they seem to want it?)
and its only them i am having a problem with..or are you saying to speak against israel is to speak out against all jews worldwide..
be careful what you say here because,this is an intricate part of the propaganda they weeve..into the whole argument..along the lines of" if your not with us your against us" policy..

its clear jewish ppl that feel compelled to support every action that israel takes against PALs will denounce anything said against israel as antisemetic...

if i was advocating a hitler approach..hell i would be saying stuff like get all jews out of positions of power in the west ..and a lot worse things..

all i am saying we should be wary on what support the west gives israel + what comes out of the jewish owned western propaganda media machine wich has been finely manipulated for the last half a century..

make me out to hate jews all you like
but i have had long time pretty close friends that are jewish..

in reality i think you would find i dont have a problem with anyone of any race..

schmooky007

23-03-04 08:03 AM

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i realise only jews live in israel..(or maybe this is just they way they seem to want it?)

you realized wrong. 1.3 million arabs live in israel.

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or are you saying to speak against israel is to speak out against all jews worldwide..

no.. some israeli policies should be criticized. but there is a new kind of anti-semitism in the air.. one that challenges the existence of israel and the jewish people. check recent polls conducted in europe.

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its clear jewish ppl that feel compelled to support every action that israel takes against PALs will denounce anything said against israel as antisemetic...

lol.. western jews are the most liberal and naive people you ever gonna meet.

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all i am saying we should be wary on what support the west gives israel + what comes out of the jewish owned western propaganda media machine wich has been finely manipulated for the last half a century..

first, not all western media is owned by jews. that is a common fabrication made by hate groups. second, the west hardly support israel.

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make me out to hate jews all you like
but i have had long time pretty close friends that are jewish..

i'm sure you do :uu:

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in reality i think you would find i dont have a problem with anyone of any race..

somehow i find that hard to believe.

span	23-03-04 08:22 AM

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Originally posted by multi

make me out to hate jews all you like
but i have had long time pretty close friends that are jewish..

scmooky already demolished your stupid arguement but this line was the best....it's like a racist saying "hey, i got lots of friends who are black!!"

just too funny.

multi

23-03-04 08:54 AM

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Originally posted by schmooky007

somehow i find that hard to believe.

believe what you like...:zzz:

multi

23-03-04 09:16 AM

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Originally posted by span
scmooky already demolished your stupid arguement but this line was the best....it's like a racist saying "hey, i got lots of friends who are black!!"

just too funny.

now if i was to say i know arab people...

(wich i dont ..unless you count the guy down the chicken shop..)

we have a very multi-cultural area here..i have friends that are african that are from africa and ones that are from the states..and jamacia
i know several vietnamees and a host of indonesians and indians..all of wich i have got along with ok got drunk with..played pool..smoked numbers..ect all that good stuff
(i have visitors here that are japanese and american..quite often..bloody freeloaders ..;) )

its not that i mix with them all the time..
but you get to blend in witha lot of different cultures here and imo a positive thing to do...many aussies really fight against it and resent ..how many different cultures that has come here in the last 20 years..but more to their loss..

Fantom

23-03-04 10:32 AM

A pox on both their houses

miss_silver

23-03-04 11:01 AM

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....it's like a racist saying "hey, i got lots of friends who are black!!"

I seriously doubt that.

If my mother would have been Jewish, I would have been too. Wether you're from USA,Canada, Europe, China, Japan, Russia North or South Africa or Australia, being born jewish is to be jewish, not american, not canadian... It just goes down with the bloodline according to their religion. Wether being white, yellow, black or purple with green dots, if your mother is jewish, it makes you a jewish person, wether practicant or not.

Strangely enough, If my father was jewish and my mother wasn't, I wouldn't be either:con:

multi

23-03-04 11:14 AM

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(N.H. Webster, Secret Societies and Subversive Movements,
London, 1924)
"When I first began to write on Revolution a well known London Publisher
said to me; 'Remember that if you take an anti-revolutionary line you will
have the whole literary world against you.' This appeared to me
extraordinary. Why should the literary world sympathize with a movement
which, from the French revolution onwards, has always been directed
against literature, art, and science, and has openly proclaimed its aim to
exalt the manual workers over the intelligentsia? 'Writers must be
proscribed as the most dangerous enemies of the people' said Robespierre;
his colleague Dumas said all clever men should be guillotined. The system
of persecutions against men of talents was organized...they cried out in
the Sections (of Paris) 'Beware of that man for he has written a book.'
Precisely the same policy has been followed in Russia under moderate
socialism in Germany the professors, not the 'people,' are starving in
garrets. Yet the whole Press of our country is permeated with subversive
influences. Not merely in partisan works, but in manuals of history or
literature for use in schools, Burke is reproached for warning us against
the French Revolution and Carlyle's panegyric is applauded. And whilst
every slip on the part of an anti-revolutionary writer is seized on by the
critics and held up as an example of the whole, the most glaring errors
not only of conclusions but of facts pass unchallenged if they happen to
be committed by a partisan of the movement. The principle laid down by
Collot d'Herbois still holds good: 'Tout est permis pour quiconque agit
dans le sens de la revolution.'

All this was unknown to me when I first embarked on my work. I knew that
French writers of the past had distorted facts to suit their own political
views, that conspiracy of history is still directed by certain influences
in the Masonic lodges and the Sorbonne [The facilities of literature and
science of the University of Paris]; I did not know that this conspiracy
was being carried on in this country. Therefore the publisher's warning
did not daunt me. If I was wrong either in my conclusions or facts I was
prepared to be challenged. Should not years of laborious historical
research meet either with recognition or with reasoned and scholarly
refutation?

But although my book received a great many generous appreciative reviews
in the Press, criticisms which were hostile took a form which I had never
anticipated. Not a single honest attempt was made to refute either my
French Revolution or World Revolution by the usual methods of controversy;
Statements founded on documentary evidence were met with flat
contradiction unsupported by a shred of counter evidence. In general the
plan adopted was not to disprove, but to discredit by means of flagrant
misquotations, by attributing to me views I had never expressed, or even
by means of offensive personalities. It will surely be admitted that this
method of attack is unparalleled in any other sphere of literary
controversy."

multi

23-03-04 11:46 AM

yeh i guess your right..that liberal jewish US media is over looking this little gem..

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while President Bush publicly embraced the community of holocaust survivors in Washington last spring, he and his family have been keeping a secret from them for over 50 years about Prescott Bush, the president's grandfather. According to classified documents from Dutch intelligence and US government archives, President George W. Bush's grandfather, Prescott Bush made considerable profits off Auschwitz slave labor. In fact, President Bush himself is an heir to these profits from the holocaust which were placed in a blind trust in 1980 by his father, former president George Herbert Walker Bush.

Throughout the Bush family's decades of public life, the American press has gone out of its way to overlook one historical fact – that through Union Banking Corporation (UBC), Prescott Bush, and his father-in-law, George Herbert Walker, along with German industrialist Fritz Thyssen, financed Adolf Hitler before and during World War II. It was first reported in 1994 by John Loftus and Mark Aarons in The Secret War Against the Jews: How Western Espionage Betrayed the Jewish People.
more..

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