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pisser 02-08-07 01:05 PM

Bridge collapse and Infrastructure concerns...
 
It just amazes me how we can spend gazillions on a unwinnable war, but our politicians continue to let our infrastructure crumble and wither away....because they just love to raid our transportation funds for other useless legislation and follies....like the donkey georges so called ' war '.
Unbelievable.

multi 02-08-07 03:54 PM

terrible tragedy
 
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=854mrJaDcS8


before:

http://www.google.com/maps?q=Minneap...wloc=addr&om=1

after:

multi 02-08-07 05:17 PM

Money for infrastructure? stuff like, levee rebuilding and roads ,freeways, bridges..etc ?



http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6920988.stm

Mazer 02-08-07 06:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pisser (Post 257364)
our politicians continue to let our infrastructure crumble and wither away....because they just love to raid our transportation funds for other useless legislation and follies

You could always ask for them to raise gasoline taxes to cover infrastructure costs.

Anyway, the bridge collapsed while road work was being done. If you think the bridge collapsed due to habitual neglect and underfunding then those road workers must have been working for free.

JackSpratts 02-08-07 06:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pisser (Post 257364)
It just amazes me how we can spend gazillions on a unwinnable war, but our politicians continue to let our infrastructure crumble and wither away....because they just love to raid our transportation funds for other useless legislation and follies....like the donkey georges so called ' war '.
Unbelievable.

amazes me too.

albed 03-08-07 09:40 AM

Congress controls the spending; democrats control the congress; so shove the Bush-bawling back up your brain.

JackSpratts 03-08-07 11:15 AM

"This is a big idea. It harnesses public and private money. I think Dodd and I have really broken the mold here." - Chuck Hagel

Quote:

Originally Posted by albed (Post 257376)
Congress controls the spending; democrats control the congress; so shove the Bush-bawling back up your brain.

if the infrastructure started falling apart in the 80's it was during the republican's watch wasn't it? thank you citizen albed for once again promoting the irrelevent while ignoring the substantive. but regardless who was or is president, now that the democrats have (barely) taken over i'll expect you to ignore them for helping turn this around in the senate with a real bipartisan infrastructure solution. meanwhile the rest of us will watch and see what kind of positive influence president bush brings to bear on this issue, if any.

- js.

Edited by Jack

albed 04-08-07 05:38 AM

Quote:

The Hagel-Dodd bill, dubbed the National Infrastructure Bank Act of 2007, would create an independent national bank that would identify, evaluate and help finance the largest infrastructure projects...

The bank would be able to provide money for such enormous projects by selling long-term bonds to individuals, corporations and other entities. Rather than reaping interest on the bonds, the bond holders would get tax credits. The bonds would be guaranteed by the federal government.

Asked how much those tax credits would cost the government, Hagel said an estimate has not yet been worked up. However, he said the Government Accounting Office, the Treasury Department and others are working on an estimate.

Hagel said he and Dodd have been working on the bill for about two years.
Just a slimey shell game, creating another bureaucratic institution to shift present spending to future taxpayers. And they haven't even bothered to crunch numbers to reveal it's true cost, though I'd triple whatever price they claim just because they're scumbag politicians.

Drakonix 04-08-07 12:08 PM

The States, NOT the Feds are responsible for maintaining bridges.

The States and the Feds are supposed to do inspections.

The Dems made lots of earmarks, but apparently not for maintaining bridges

Edit:

It should be easier for the Dems to get their way now that they have become adept at stealing and misrepresenting votes on the (Congressional) House floor. Shame.

multi 04-08-07 05:16 PM

It is obviously more important for your country to supply billions of dollars of future taxpayer money on selling/giving arms to the worlds most volatile region to line the pockets of the elite military industrial complex than it is to look after the state of the local infrastructure.. not a good look guys..

The Federal/State issue is just bureaucratic nonsense... This is clearly a question of priorities, a question of the rich causing the slow decay of modern civilization like tooth rotting from the inside. It makes me wonder why we should fear some bloodthirsty religion taking over the planet when it is already being controlled by faceless entities that would send their grandmother to wall for a dollar.

Mazer 05-08-07 09:09 AM

You guys probably aren't the only people in the world that are politicizing this issue, but this kind of bullshit only appears on the internet. I'm not really surprised, given the extremists we have here, but show a little originality for once (perhaps some sympathy would be appropriate too). I mean, even if we had spent our defense department's budget on the interstate highway system and replaced this bridge in the process, hundreds of people still die every day in car collisions that money just can't prevent. But you're doing the predictable thing, treating the bridge collapse like crime so you can justify your indictments, and since nobody knows if one person or a one group was responsible, you naturally blame the voters and the politicians. Lame.

Drakonix 05-08-07 11:51 AM

Hell, Obama wants the U.S. to get out of Afghanistan and Iraq so we can invade Pakistan. That doesn't sound like turning "war dollars" into "infrastructure dollars" to me.

multi 05-08-07 04:46 PM

oh dont blame the politicians, wtf ?
Lame?
WTF !
the voters are being had
thats LAME

Let me spell it out for you.. these politicians are assholes that have wasted the public money ,not anyone else.
They reap huge personal fortunes for sucking the dicks, say of their Pro-Israeli lobbyists, (just one of many, but totally the most disgusting) so they can send 100's of billions of dollars to bolster the Israeli defense while they keep their local infrastructure up to scratch with their own tax payer money
.Same could be said for Saudi Arabia ,Iraq is another whole kettle of fish, that is your precious politicians recycling tax dollars into the pockets of corporate military interests ,not to mention the pilfering of huge quantities of oil for those interests. You see now ,over 20 years of this shit the cracks are really starting to show... this is mismanagement at the highest levels allowed to escalate into uncontrollable corruption, now to question this corruption borders on treason. It is a very sad state of affairs and one my own government has worked hard at creating here where I live..

I am sorry if you can see this it's you who are lame..

Mazer 05-08-07 06:18 PM

multi, you will not convince me that politics caused this bridge to collapse. Try a different argument.

miss_silver 05-08-07 08:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mazer (Post 257399)
multi, you will not convince me that politics caused this bridge to collapse. Try a different argument.


Katrina anyone :PO:

Mazer 06-08-07 08:44 AM

No, politics didn't cause a hurricane to make landfall at New Orleans either. :RE:

multi 06-08-07 06:33 PM

I see.. ok

Quote:

The States, NOT the Feds are responsible for maintaining bridges.
Let's say it was because of mismanagement of funds due for it's maintenance by Left Leaning State Politicians..maybe they diverted it to Hospital funds or something they could get a return on...

So was it an engineering fault caused by years wear and tear ?

maybe we should expect 100's of 30 year old bridges to come crashing down ,all over the world ?

Nicobie 06-08-07 07:57 PM

I never EVER do this AND do give multi hell when he does.
 
But I am going to directly quote what somebody else typed.

>Multi

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oh don't blame the politicians, wtf ?
Lame?
WTF !
the voters are being had
thats LAME

Let me spell it out for you.. these politicians are assholes that have wasted the public money ,not anyone else.
They reap huge personal fortunes for sucking the dicks, say of their Pro-Israeli lobbyists, (just one of many, but totally the most disgusting) so they can send 100's of billions of dollars to bolster the Israeli defense while they keep their local infrastructure up to scratch with their own tax payer money
.Same could be said for Saudi Arabia ,Iraq is another whole kettle of fish, that is your precious politicians recycling tax dollars into the pockets of corporate military interests ,not to mention the pilfering of huge quantities of oil for those interests. You see now ,over 20 years of this shit the cracks are really starting to show... this is mismanagement at the highest levels allowed to escalate into uncontrollable corruption, now to question this corruption borders on treason. It is a very sad state of affairs and one my own government has worked hard at creating here where I live..

I am sorry if you can see this it's you who are lame..


Multi<

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When our $'s are spent on illegal aliens and wars that do none in the US any good while short cutting legal citizen's needs, It is time to throw out the trash.

The infrastructure of the US won WW2. The lack of it will be the cause of a bunch of problems so it seems wise to keep it repaired.

It appears, as usual, that the proof is in the pudding. The US needs to be spending more on it's self and less on country's that don't give a rat's ass about the United States of America.

I see no problem with the USA treating others how they are being treated.

miss_silver 06-08-07 11:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mazer (Post 257405)
No, politics didn't cause a hurricane to make landfall at New Orleans either. :RE:

You Lamer FFS

It was a blame game between the state and the admin, guess who won, no surprize, king George can't be wrong eh? What about those FEMA trailers who went to rot when they were much needed (lack of funds?), and how about that HALF of the guard were off in Iraq when they were much needed over here in that disaster zone? Politiics Mazer, heall yeah, even tho you DO NOT want to see it this way.

Talk about a lamer hon...

Deny it all you want, your country as it is is an illusion, won't be long before your prez go castro way, another flase flag OP so he can stay in power untill the "threath" is over... when will that be?

Anyway, what is up with Mormons and Republictards :PO:


PS : Your reply on that collapsed bridge chilled my blood, ever wonder if you are human at times. People died FFS and the only thing you could muster up is a defense for Bush ADM no less.

A Canadian point of view

When me ans mother were to drive up to florida back in the late 80's, the road were FLAWLESS... when that Floyd caracter drove me back to the airport, I couldn't believe how bumpy that highway was, made me thing of my province LOL :BL:


Get over it Mazer, excusing a murderer doesn't becomes you.

But yes, those infrastructure are suffering badlly Mazer and where in hell will that money comes from?!? Not from the ADM, they are way too busy sending half of the nationnal guard to Iraq because the army cannot meet their quota...

which leaves me to that other burning lips question Mazer...

How the fuck do you dare defend a murderer without being on the front line?

What, bad knee?, got a bone in you body is that your excuse? Flat feet?

Come on, enlighten us as to why you are still a keyboard warrior hon?

It is really easy to spew political propaganda Mazer, it is much harder to hold a Rifle and actually KILL someone... could you do it?


Seriously, if it came down to it, could you kill someone? Think long and hard on this one for we are talking about some peep attacking you on your own turf for I highly doubt you have the guts to ever "serve your country"

I see you "excuse" the worst filth but yet, I also see you in your own comfort not risking his ass on the line

Now, who the hell (for you will never get to baptize me when I die) the fuck are you to be so fucking condecendent to apply your so called wisdom to US when you are not even on the front line?

What is your damned excuse again?


BTW, almost vomited so much your reply on that collapsed bridge got to me, wonder if you even have a heart ya SOB

miss_silver 06-08-07 11:47 PM

Long Story Short Mazer...
 
Why aren't we hearing news from you in Iraq?


I just see you like a bag of hot air, nothing more, you blow, then be gone for you are not there where the actiion happens eh?

A keyboard warrior becomes truly you Mazer for you wouldn't
have the balls to ever kill someone...

Let me guess, you have bones in your body LOL :BL:


that is that war comes right down to it

Killing....

I remember Rage agasinst the Machine... Killing in the name of...


I am anti war for I have no reason/motivation to go there, what is your "Tic" that ya cannot typed to us from "Iraq" Mazer ?!?

Right, heard that Myspace was a no go these days


As long as I will not hear from you in Irak, SERVING ya own country, how can I take you seriously?

miss_silver 06-08-07 11:59 PM

Mazer, what is your excuse again?

You keep supporting some murderess actions but yet, you are not on the front line, WTF gives :PO:

IMO, think you would cry like a babe if they recruted you by force LOL :BL:


And somehow, I do hope to god that you DO get call for service for IMO, you are truly disconnected toward human feelings... Might get some Humility into your being for a change.


saw a smily that I will post soon

THOW SHALL MAKE JESUS VOMIT.... like those earlier reply from you made me truly sick.

albed 07-08-07 07:44 AM

Come on Mazer, answer her already.

Nicobie 07-08-07 06:01 PM

Calm down.

I figure that U might have the right to bitch when YOU enlist in the American Marines.

Hahahahahahahahaaa

~*~sillie gurrl*~*

Mazer 07-08-07 07:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by albed (Post 257427)
Come on Mazer, answer her already.

Oh hell, I leave my keyboard for one day and I get crucified for it.

Questioning the tentative link between the bridge collapse and the war in Iraq doesn't make me a Bush apologist and I have nothing to answer for. miss_silver, stop obsessing over the things I post here.

malvachat 08-08-07 05:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mazer (Post 257438)
miss_silver, stop obsessing over the things I post here.

Try saying please.It sometimes helps.:KA:

zombywoof 09-08-07 07:34 PM

Global warming knocked the bridge down.

miss_silver 11-08-07 01:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mazer (Post 257438)
Oh hell, I leave my keyboard for one day and I get crucified for it.

Questioning the tentative link between the bridge collapse and the war in Iraq doesn't make me a Bush apologist and I have nothing to answer for. miss_silver, stop obsessing over the things I post here.


Oh... but you are a bush apologist even if you do not know better...


nuff said

you know my views, doesn't mesn you have to cut all ties...In the PA, anything goes...

PS IMO, the PA was a bad idea to begin with. This board was meant for file sharing, not a bitchfest in the PA.


Memories, in the corner of my mind...

Peace

miss_silver 11-08-07 01:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by malvachat (Post 257442)
Try saying please.It sometimes helps.:KA:


Indeed ;)

Mazer 11-08-07 10:55 AM

Please, miss_silver, chillax for once.

albed 17-08-07 09:45 AM

Senate Democrats make up bridge propaganda -

http://blog.seattletimes.nwsource.co...e_exactly.html

Quote:

A day after the bridge collapsed in Minneapolis, Sen. Patty Murray joined other Senate Democrats to accuse the Bush administration of failing to maintain the country's bridges. And she had a dynamite anecdote:

"I have learned of a bridge where school buses have to stop and let all of the children out and pick them up on the other side because of weight restrictions."

The Hill reports that the anecdote was quickly repeated by Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid:

"The children have to walk across the bridge!" he declared in outrage.
When asked specifically where the bridge was the propaganda stopped. There was no such bridge.

Mazer 17-08-07 11:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by albed (Post 257592)
When asked specifically where the bridge was the propaganda stopped. There was no such bridge.

And even if there was, it would most likely be a short bridge on a one-way road with minimal traffic and the responsibility for replacing it would fall squarely on the local and state governments. Bridges of that sort are not funded federally.

Nicobie 18-08-07 06:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mazer (Post 257489)
Please, miss_silver, chillax for once.


yep

multi 18-08-07 08:20 PM

A bridge collapse gets slightly different treatment in China
 
BEIJING -- Communist authorities have banned most state media from reporting on the deadly collapse of a bridge in southern China, with local officials punching and chasing reporters from the scene, reporters said Friday.

The harassment and the reporting ban, issued by the Central Propaganda Department, came Thursday while reporters swarmed the tourist town of Fenghuang to report on Monday's accident.

Communist authorities have banned most state media from reporting on the deadly collapse of the bridge, with thugs punching and chasing reporters from the scene, reporters said Friday. Rescuers have found 41 bodies but no signs of life in the days since the bridge's collapse Monday in the southern tourist town of Fenghuang.

Unidentified locals roughed up a group of five newspaper and magazine reporters as they interviewed families of those killed, according to a photographer and a reporter whose colleague was among the journalists involved.

The collapse of the bridge, which was under construction, left at least 47 people dead, making it one of the worst building accidents in China in recent years.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...081700752.html

Nicobie 21-08-07 05:38 PM

Jesesss multi,

Make up your mind.

I thought it was evil business people who were to blame for everything?

:ghug:


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