The death penalty scores!
 

A series of academic studies show that executing a murderer deters at least several other murders so the stupid opponents of the death penalty are actually supporting more homicide.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070611/...lty_deterrence

People with common sense really don't need studies to tell them the obvious but with mass stupidity becoming the fad of the times it's good to have formal proof.


Now we have to start prosecuting all the moronic death penalty opponents as accessories to murder.

Always a hard one this.
If mistakes are made,you can't go back.
We have had a number of cases here in the UK,
where years later after massive campaigns people
were found to be innocent.
In some of the IRA cases they were fitted up by the police.
Now,at least then they can still get a life after release.
If your point is that it acts as a deterrent,maybe.
I think maybe to proper people,but to scum bags,I'm not sure.
Maybe each time an execution takes place,it has a short term effect.
My only worry is you've got the right person and the verdict is correct.
As to executing scum,much as it's against my gentle nature I say yes.

When innocent people go into prison they never come out innocent.

I'll tell you this, if I was falsely convicted of murder I'd rather not spend the rest of my life in prison. Put me to death even if I am innocent, unless there's a chance the conviction will be overturned on appeal.

It is first and foremost about revenge and 'justice' for the victim's family, then about deterrence.

Rhetorical nonsense unless you're interchanging legal status with moral state then it's just a phoney allegory.

Suicidal cowardice doesn't become you. A lot of people in the world live their whole lives under conditions that make a U.S. prison seem luxurious. Why do you fear it so much you'd rather die?

Yeah, you're right. If I actually was sentenced to life in prison I'd probably have second thoughts about it. However, I am trying to make the point that the death of a few wrongfully convicted individuals is worth it to execute the thousands who really deserve it. So if that's how the system worked and I ended up convicted of a murder I didn't commit, I wouldn't hold it against the justice system for executing me, just for convicting me in the first place. I guess I fear injustice more than death, but that's just me.

execute 'em. use a higher standard of proof than just "reasonable doubt", but if that can be established, go ahead and execute 'em. dunno about the deterrent factor - and the validity of the conclusions of the study appear debatable - but i do know the recidivismn rate among executed felons is zero. so if the punishment fits the crime and the proof is indisputable, off with thier heads.

Got some french in you there knife? :BHD:

There always seems to be problems with methods though. I suspect prisoners are dehydrating themselves or something to shrink their veins before lethal injection with all the difficulties they've been having.

They should have a garrote around the guys neck hooked to a little winch for backup.

We do not have death penalty in Canada.

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http://www.tdcj.state.tx.us/stat/executedoffenders.htm

Click on just a few of the "Offender Info's" on some of these now deceased scumbags. 99% of these lowlifes were habitual offenders who were paroled time after time until they graduated to rape and murder of sometimes multiple victims. Its not like there was some real question of their guilt or that they were wrongly accused. You also have to consider how many thousands of crimes these criminals got away with before they got caught for the ONE that put them away for good.

Odd. It's always seemed to me that the death sentence is a bit of a let off for the criminal really. OK, it's a scary arsed prospect knowing that you are going to die but jeeze, if it was me and I had a choice between spending every day between now and the day I die behind bars or putting an end to it all I know which i'd prefer. That said I can't say for sure I'd have the guts to go through with it when faced with an actual real choice.
Also. I'm 100% certain that if anybody murdered somebody I love I would want them to rot in jail for the rest of their lives and live with what they had done.

As for the death sentence being a deterent. Murder is very often not a considered act carried out by someone who is thinking about the consequences.

Have you spent even a single day behind bars before spouting your straight from Hollywood opinions?

Have you ever been confused about how real convicts can develop extremely muscular physiques or get college degrees while 'rotting away' in prison?

Have you ever wondered why first degree murder has that "premeditated" requirement in it's definition?

Nah, you just parrot the liberal propaganda you've learned without straining your own brain with thinking.



Anyone caught murdering "somebody you loved" would probably be laughing his ass off on the way out of the courtroom.

Yay Albed. You get an award for that post.

Albed. Are you actually cabable of having a discussion about something instead of just hurling abuse around?

Well I asked some questions there.

I probably should have figured you'd be unable or unwilling to do the thinking to come up with answers though.


You should ask youself if you're capable of doing your own thinking and contributing something original instead of just regurgitating the spoon fed opinions that are given to all the simpletons via television and pretending you're "discussing" something.

That would be a no then.

Perhaps you should ask youself, albed, if you're capable of doing your own thinking and contributing something original instead of just ENDLESSLY regurgitating the opinion that you are superior to everyone you encounter based on your simpleton's arrogance and pretending you're "informed" about something.

Not only were the studies in the original article NOT "formal proof," you blithering fuckwad, the article itself plainly pointed out that there's not enough data in them to draw a conclusion.

From your mindlessly parroted article, which you apparently didn't even bother to read yourself:

You're the single most ignorant poster on this board, and always have been. You have zero credibility, and, in conclusion, fuck you and your hillbilly mother.

As usual you lack the balls to come out with an opinion of your own--the ones in your mouth don't help at all--so all you can do is ankle bite the people who have them.

I deem you unworthy of the opportunity to even discuss my opinions you sad, oily little man, but just posting pictures of people vomiting at you is only funny in small doses.

And, as someone who seemed to think it took "balls" to proclaim Rudy Giuliani and Condoleezza Rice would win the upcoming election, your clear misunderstanding of the concept makes me fairly glad you think I have none.

Albed is a fine example of a retroactive abortion gone wrong.
He survived.
In prison, he wouldn't.

Stop picking on Albed.

If you carry on, he'll only run off into the woods to play with the insects.

Let off?????Really.......You do realize that people covicted of "MURDER" can receive sentences as light as 5 years? The "death penalty" isn't handed out like lollipops at the bank. It is usually only handed down to habitual violent criminals whos prior prison terms obviosly didn't "bother" them enough to stop them from committing further violence. Others that receive the death penalty are ones who commit extremely heinous and brutal crimes against both adults and CHILDREN, usually multiple times before they are caught.

People that can repeatedly rape and murder without remorse lack the conscience required for their acts to have any "negative" mental effect whatsoever on them "for the rest of their lives". The only negative effects these people will experience is being caught. Their acts don't bother them walking the streets and they aren't going to bother them in prison.

Furthermore you seem to be clueless to the fact that our prisons are full of violent rapists and murderers who received "life sentences". When you get "life" you are not segregated from the prisons "general population" like you are when you receive "death", and are rubbing elbows everyday with inmates convicted of non violent crimes like drug possesion. It is a proven fact that a majority of these extremely violent criminals "get off" sexually by "reliving" and "fantasizing" the murders and rapes of their victims, not just with masturbation but also by having sex with and even raping other inmates.

Execution is final.......hardly a "let off". The real "let off" is life in prison. 3 meals a day, having a television in your cell, internet access, visits from family, having everything that you took from your victims and their families. The only thing "lifers" lose is their freedom.

Scary??? You sound like your talking about an amusement park ride. I'm pretty sure being strapped to a table knowing your life is about to end is a little more intense than scary.

BULLSHIT!.....easily said being that your not strapped to a table and about to DIE! How are you so sure "which you'd prefer" if you aren't even "sure you'd have the guts to go through with it" ? ........you aren't and you wouldn't.

100%....Even knowing that the person has no remorse or lacks any conscience about murdering your loved one. Will spend the rest of his life watching TV, using the internet, playing basketball with his homies, getting visits from his loved ones and even fantasizing and reliving the murder or rape of your loved one to sexually gratify himself? I'm quite certain that you haven't had a loved one murdered and that should it happen, that percentage of certainty you so boldly threw out would start dwindling fast.

Once again you are either completely clueless or you just conveniently choose to ignore the fact that murder is very often not carried out by someone having the human conscience required for their acts to negativly effect or "bother" them mentally. Yes as painful of a realization as it may be for you a very large percentage of violent human beings can dismiss murder or rape from their minds as easily as what they ate for breakfast.

Do you really believe that most murderers are tossing and turning every night unable to sleep because they are tormented by what they have done????????.....jeeze

The scumbag being executed is most definately being "deterred" from further acts of violence. Life imprisonment definately doesn't deter others and allows the convicted to continue his violence in prison. Then there is always the chance that some idiot governer running for re-election can commute a life without parole sentence to life with parole so we can parole yet another covicted murderer to go out and murder again.

Bottom line is there are thousands more convicted murderers in our prisons and paroled walking the streets of this country free than have been executed.

I don't buy into that politically correct load of crap that the death penalty is supposed to be a deterrent. It is punishment pure and simple. I think its quite obvious that our legal system waits until it is well past warranted before they finally sentence someone to death. Way too many innocent people have died at the hands of previously convicted violent criminals.

That sure is a lot of words used to say nothing.

You practicing to be a politician?


"What if there were no rhetorical questions?"

Amazingly, in spite of your usual shrill hatefulness, the apparent belief that you are omniscient and the absurd pretense that your arguments are based on 'proven facts,' on the particular point above I'm in complete agreement.

I'm completely ambivalent about capital punishment itself--however, I call it what it is: punishment--and clearly not a 'deterrent' except in the so-called minds of fools. (Like albed, who apparently believes anything he partially reads is 'formal proof.' lol)

All punishments are 'supposed' to be deterrents, from jail time for possession of illegal drugs to fines for traffic violations. The problem is they only 'work' on those willing to conform completely and homogeneously to a code of conduct--and this is almost no one. As simply as possible, you cannot judge what will be a deterrent in a world where people have widely divergent values.

Also, according to the FBI, in 2004 only 62% of all homicides were 'cleared,' and in some individual cities this number is as low as 40%. This means, according to best estimates, that over 6000 people 'got away with' at least one murder in 2004. Generally, if someone is going to premeditate committing a homicide, they are laboring under the pretense that they will get away with it or at least have a chance of doing so, and statistically they do have a fair shot at succeeding. If people are willing to gamble with these odds in spite of the fact that there already is a death penalty in most states, it becomes clear that it being a 'deterrent' is fantasy.

Even single celled organisms are easily deterred with electric shocks or noxious chemicals, though like Ramona, they can't understand why they're altering their behaviour.

More advanced organisms are capable of weighing the rewards and penalities for their actions and deciding accordingly, though a small percentage of warped individuals will have contrary values and perhaps view a prison full of sexually deprived men or even death as an incentive instead of a punishment, most will rationally consider potentially unpleasant consequences when doing almost anything in their lives and adjust their behaviour, as even the most casual observations demonstrate.

Well, there's your problem. I know it's hard for your single brain cell to grasp, but most people in the world have more than one.

Yes.
Nothing, nada, zilch, etc....

Here, have a beer and stop trying to be what you aren't.

Yeah jc, do you think you're some gifted special education teacher or something?


You couldn't teach a retard to drool, right dix?

Stop drooling albed.
Oh, wait; that isn't drool....
Nevermind...

Now that is funny.:tu:

Your fantasy life is disturbing indeed. You and Ramona should hook up.

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Oh come on now.
You have to admit.
That one was funny.

It was funny when jc made good points, showed tafka to be clueless moron, and then a real attention starved idiot jumped in with "waa waa waa, you're not saying anything."

You just have 0 sense of humor.
I hereby bestow upon you a potion of +12 humor.
Pay no attention to the bitter taste.
Drink up.
It's not poison; I promise.

Sorry...
But, from way up here on the "high" road, your words look like ants.

Which reminds me.

Has anyone seen my magnifying glass?

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Where was the last place you masturbated?

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OK That one was kinda funny.

And, what's more, totally in keeping with the sixth grade mentality of all the wonderful threads of which he is a part.

:PE:

Aren't there some kids playing in your yard that need yelled at?






Put your teeth in first.

OK ... who farted?

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/...n/5648261.html

Yes Ernie, we wouldn't dare want to be cruel and unusual by putting the murderer through "intense pain and agonizing suffering". We all know that murderers always make sure their victims die "painlessly and without suffering".

Now even lethal injection causes "excruciating pain". What a load of crap. The only "excruciating pain" involved in lethal injection is that long walk to the death chamber knowing your ticket is about to get punched...........not near enough.

Yo Gov. Dave maybe you should suggest "burning at the stake" or "crucifixtion" to the liberal bleeding hearts against lethal injection.

I mean whats left????????? We going to start "tickling" the murdering SOB's to death? Maybe we could supply them with liquor and let them drink themselves to death over the 20+ years most of them sit on death row.