WinMX 3.1 Bitch List
 

Uh, yeah, I'm an ass, so I'll start a bitch list on the new version already. This is off the top of my head. Here's what I don't like about the new version:

It seems less configurable than before, especially in important areas such as number of simultaneous connections, time between connections, et al.

When a connection on a network times out, it WILL NOT automatically attempt to reconnect. In this way, it's even worse than the one at a time manual connections in low-cap using 2.6. At least THOSE would reconnect, or try to.

You have to get your cursor in that little nth of a CH between the last network and the gray area in order to drag up and highlight the whole list. The reason this has to be done is, obviously, because of no "Connect All" feature.

I like the color codes inside the search, such as matches local incomplete file, etc., but there is no color for results in the search that have finished downloading after you selected them - they just turn back to white. Likewise, there is also no code for one that you started and is now incomplete. This to some may seem a pissy complaint, but hey, not everyone spends every second in the transfer window.

I'm sure there are more things, but I can't see them right now SINCE I'M RUNNING 2.6 INSTEAD. Right now I'm in a middle of the road session - connected to 29 servers with a little over .8 EB available on OpenNap. However, that's more than I can hope for using 3.1 and having anything approaching an nth of convenience. Don't get me wrong, there are some pluses with the new vers, but I'm not completely sold on it - maybe since I'm on dial-up and mutisourcing means Jack Shit to me. Hopefully the guys at Frontcode, who have worked very hard, can get things situated (perhaps a 3.2 sometime soon? :CG: ).

Feel free to rant (in related fashion) below. :dz:

i'd like some colors while they're at it, configurable by the user like the original, upon whose pages i placed the lovliest shades of blue.

oh dear.

and yeah, it needs more configurables. they should just put in a geek button that opens up a whole array of stuff that normal squids wouldn't go near if you paid 'em and leave it at that.:p

- js.

No question WinMX is weak with certain features because they've concentrated on the technical aspects. Now that this is such a powerful client maybe they'll focus more on the small details. Overall though it's pretty good and getting rave reviews.


http://www.slyck.com/newsmay2002/051602a.html

http://www.infoanarchy.org/section/releases

I'll never understand why some people love Winmx. I can't seem to connect to many servers (6 tops out of 93), even tho I tried for almost an hour. Then when I did a search, I was 42nd in line for the movie I wanted. But within 2 minutes, 8 different 56k'rs were getting MY movies. Ummm, I always thought sharing was supposed to be 2 ways.

I'll stick to edonkey, iMesh, and Direct Connect :tu:

WinMX is not for Movies :att:

hi Dawn :W:

I personally like the new version alot more than 2.6:ND: The feature that are missing or have changed are missed but the overall advancements to the network are great. The PNP seems much more stable and much faster. Multisource downloading speeds up downloads by 25% for me and I'm a 56k connection. I like the auto clear of uploads etc. I share over 400 cdcovers and often have 200+ uploads for them in less than 8hrs.

I would like to see the old style bandwidth controls back!


The use of opennap is little needed and to connect to all is NEVER necessary. Connecting to 4 or 5 of the larger networks is all that is needed. Opennap servers change daily that is why lists often go dead fast thats not a problem with the client :att: Thats a problem with every opennap client.

Movies isn't WinMXs cup of tea music is and 56krs shouldn't be downloading movies anyway:help:

OpenNap little needed? On the contrary, that's how I find most bootlegs and the like. I find a lot of folks out there with such things on OpenNap, but not often on WPNP. There are definitely many pluses and minuses alike with the new vers; hopefully they'll be able to get another up in the next couple of months to bring everything together. If I was on broadband maybe I'd feel differently; I don't know. As for movies, I don't even try to bother at all. I wouldn't tell dial-uppers not to try, but it is fairly ill-advised, unless you have a good enough setup where you can actually stay on for a couple of days and you know personally someone on high-speed who can stay connected. Movies/TV shows/etc., yeah, definitely a broadband thing. As Awe said, music is WinMX's cup; I get banned from places for not having X number of files - I have more pictures than music files at the moment, and the pictures get filtered out on many a server. I don't care too much, though, just waiting for improvements to what's already the best (though imperfect) thing out there.

:W:

Opennap is good for the rare stuff agree. But often times people feel it is a MUST to be connected to every damn server online:MAD: Even when looking for everyday stuff! People often connect to every server in a linked network when only one connection is needed. :att: And then people wonder why the get swamped with uploads and always get queued:cr:

Let's just say
 

I "kindof" like it.

I can't be specific at the moment (have some major termite damage repair work to do (in and outside) and won't be "online" long enough to get into bone picking.

Let's just say it has great potential and leave it at that, eh?

Ya'll have a good weekend, ya hear!



:tu:

Sure it is. Less than 1/2 hour to get a small version of Spiderman. It can be tricky though; many ppl want to trade.:eek:

The small size movies suck :att:

this is what I thought inintially...

well, at least i figured out the colors. all back to normal now. looks just like i used to have napster. it may be a small thing but it makes using it more pleasurable for me. :)

- js.

Bandwidth?
 

AweShucks said...
I would like to see the old style bandwidth controls back!

You know its been such a long time since I used 2.6 now, I plain forgot how the bandwidth controls worked, but I know they DO work well in WinMx 3.1, and are available, certainly for the openap servers they are, not a great fan of the WNP, as it seems to be so full of freeloaders at the moment that have forgotten how to share, even forgotten how to encode their own CD's ?

Spend most of my watching time, doing a "Whois" and dumping the non sharers after one download.

Sounds mean maybe it does, but without some hints the whole network will degenerate into a fre-loaders paradise.

Setting up your OPENNAP servers:

One advantage of WinMx 3.1 is the server update feature. Just click on Find WSX in the Networks screen, and your search panel will automatically be configured to find a server (.WSX) file, when this file is downloaded, click on the Import WSX button and these servers will be presented in your network list.

So many different server lists available but only those with the format PUBLIC nnnnnnnn nnnnnnnn nnnnnnnn type of format are those genuinly created by another WinMx user, the nnnnnnn being a packed date format in the form 20YYMMDD.

the subsequent packed dates usually indicate the range of dates of the data the update file was created from.

There are still a lot of old format WSX files for WinMx 2.6 and the beta versions of winMx 3.0, these may contain some usefull server data, but this will need editing out and pasting in to you current lists (or hand entered) to be valid.

Raw IP numbers because of their transient nature on dialup systems are discouraged, even deleted by default from the updates, thouh you can opt to include them, it is NOT a good idea to do so by default, only when the DNS lookup has not worked for a specific server, or that server IP is very new, or is fixed is it neccessary to use IP numbers.

When you have your list of good servers, you can share them with others by exporting them to a file in your shared folder, but if you do this you MUST remember to highlite those servers you wish to include in the server update file, the export feature does NOT include all by default, so many short single entry files have been seen recently where users have only marked one server.

Fussy Servers :

You will find a resistance to WinMx in some server operators due to personal predjudic or potential flooding problems, you should than invoke the use random client option or better still set your own client report in the server edit box, a good choice seems to be audioGnome (spelled exactly that way)

Some servers (SlavaNap) have adopted other ways of determining your client type, so the renaming trick may not always work, personaly if I get a fussy server type of rejection that server gets deleted from the list, there are plenty of others around.

refreshing servers:

you will need to do this on a regular basis as the opennap network runs a lot of prsonal small servers at the whim of the operator, may or may not be 24 hours, sometime only at the weekend, so don't discard a Timeded out server directly, wait a week then check again.

Reports:

Timeout network could not find server address
Refused: Server operation is busy, you are not registered etc
Server full: Well this is obvious, try again at less busy times.
You are BANNED: Well what did you do? did you insult the server operator, did you try to share illegal material (porn etc)?

You must remember that SERVER OPERATORS ARE GODS and what they say and want GOES, some are sociable creartures that want you to join a room, so you may find out what they have to offer you, or find out about you, usualy the threats to kick you if you FAIL to join a room are just hot air, sometimes not

Generally if you get annoyed by the constant barrage of IM's from server roBOTS then join a room seek out the admin and ask then not to, or you can just put the bots nickname in the ingore list and that will be the end of it (you hope!)

I've tried to put a few points here in answer to questions, i'm not say ing they are 100% correct, they are as perceived by me in runing winMx 3.0 & 3.1.

There are many more points, made by others, all worth of note and sharing, this is just my personal contribution.

typed live, so no spell checks...

Snark.. :W:

i'm still using 2.6, a year later.
i see no reason to switch.
it runs fine for me.
never been banned.
get everything i usually need.
will i eventually have to switch????
or will i be able to stay with 2.6?

i really like the latest software; much better then 2.6... also seemed more stable; i was getting the blue screen of death with 2.6 on quitting and i'm all clear now; also seemed a little lighter on my resources then 2.6. plus i love all the new options.

too bad the community is still shit. winmx network is without a doubt the heaviest leech community for any client i have. all my upload slots consistently and immediately full up while i find nothing useful to download; or if i do; it's someone with an absurdly long que. audiogalaxy, directconnect and kazaa have none of those problems with their community.

so hopefully the new client being as attractive as it is will bring a better form of user to the network. i hope so.

hey snark, great post!:tu:

- js.

I got banned from "kaenguru". I got back from work and found nasty messages on screen. He (kaenguru op) couldn't download anything from me. Later I found I was banned from kaenguru opennap network, reason being "shared child porn".:MAD:

Hmmm...in my past experiences I found Audiogalaxy and KaZaA to be, well, crap. Never tried DC. As for "leeches," are they actually leeches or do they just not have anything you want? There's definitely a difference. Moreover, some OpenNap servers do not correctly detect the number of files being shared. Many a time I looked like a leech when in fact I was sharing hundreds of files (and, after the crash, dozens :dz: ). I've found good users on WinMX; I don't know why you haven't seemed to. Never seemed to get any BSoDs from it either. Oh well - everyone has their own set of circumstances. Seems to me as well that for every new option there is in 3.1, there's been one taken away that was present in the past. It's all the same in the end anyway - people trying to get their files however they can.

Nuisance bitching
 

No matter what I do or what I try, I can't seem to get Open nap hotlists in 3.1 to stick!!

;( All my buddies are "Offline". ;(

Hotlists work fine in 2.6!!

:MAD:

Auto-Retry won't stick...:MAD:

You know it, HAL.

Two point six = tha shit!

Anyone know if........
 

if the bandwidth controls actually work in 3.1?

After playing with settings a few times, I'm coming to the conclusion that they don't.

Btw, I'm getting EXCELLENT (even better than 2.6 if that sounds a bit odd sorry) speeds for dling.

It's awful wierd to see a multisource split up for queuing isn't it?

Source 1 says 3. Source 2 says 30, Source 3 says - Go to the movies, then grocery shop for a couple hours and maybe, just maybe I'll start dling by the time you come home :eek:

:er:

Winnie 3.1 Hotlist issues unsolved!
 

Why is this happening? Is this only happening to me?

I'm using a Dial-up ISP.



Did several experiments yesterday and ALL entries were listed into the "Online" category of the hotlist and all entries worked normally (sending and receiving blinking letters icons notifying of incoming messages.)

After a disconnection and upon reconnection, all "online" entries were then placed into the "Offline" category even though the known user is "Online" (as proven by the search results).

In order to put a user back into the "Online" section of my hotlist I have to research for a file I know the user has in his shares and RE-add him to the hotlist. The username will then be seen as "Online", however, all previous entries for the user already existing in my hotlist remain in "Offline" status.

As far as using the Hotlist options (i.e., manually adding a username to the hotlist which worked fine in 2.6) when the user is known to be online, these entries WILL stick albeit only temporarily until a disconnection will place it back into "Offline" status.

Another curiosity is when PMing a user via search results AND the user has Auto-Response set to answer his incoming messages, the blinking letter icon DOES appear in the "Offline" section of the hotlist. However, when attempting to respond to the message, it always fails to connect to the "Offline" user in the hotlist.

Can't think of anything else I've noticed - if I do, I'll add it to this post in the hopes someone else is experiencing the same problem or can help solved it.

Remember, I'm only experiencing this problem with 3.1. 2.6 hotlisting works fine.

TIA

GR

Here I've just added a user name by searching for song title then right clicking into Add to Hotlist.

This same username, as shown by previous screen shot, is listed as "Offline" when it isn't.

Is this a problem associated with 3.1 or is it me? Am I seriously deranged or what :help::er: :con:

3.1 is having hotlist display problems w/me, too. people i know are online display as off and i can't scan my own files either. a small thing maybe but it's good to know how they look to browsers, and critical if you even THINK you might be sharing things you shouldn't be.:N:

- js.

wide screen version?
 

You know I had to go next door to read your post Gr...

I've realised why you are having problems with hotlist entries NOT sticking... you turn your system off, I don't!

When I needed to yesterday, I too found the hotlist entries missing from the online section, yet Ok in the offline, after a reboot... So it looks like another problem to resolve in 3.11
(No why does that sound so familiar? )

WINDOWS... of course!

Snark... :shk:

Edit... Cor wonder how many saw the UNEDITED version, thats better... I can put my eyeballs back in their sockets now...

Geez, I just connected again to Winmx. Of course I'm like 2 zillion in queue for the movie I want. :RE:

But what bugs me, is that instantly, there were 8 uploads, and 9 in queue for MY large file size movies. Yet when I browsed THEIR files, only ONE of those people were sharing movies! All the rest were either sharing nothing (2 of them), or else sharing a handfull of songs is all.

No fucking wonder I can't ever get anything from there. Screw it. :att:

You make a very valid point Dawn and the problem deserves further discussion.

My own experience is the same: movies and songs mix badly on the same network and on same conditions. A typical movie is 600 MB, a typical song 6 MB or less. This two magnitude difference results in totally different download and queuing dynamics for the two types of objects but still the traffic is channeled through a single queue/bandwidth control system. Queues are not that bad for music collectors as long as they move forward and the queuers get their files at the end. But for movie downloads it would be essential to have minimal queues so that multisourcing could be efficiently utilized.

As Dawn's comments demonstrate movie collectors are often not interested in mp3s so even a large shared mp3 library may not count as much sharing for them. The same applies also the other way round: several gigabytes worth of movies counts only as a few shared files, making a movie-sharing person falsely look like a non-sharer for those checking their uploaders with Whois info.

The paradox is that the software itself would fit quite well for both purposes. The problem arises mostly from the mixing of two differently oriented communities.

- tg ;)

Direct Connect seemed to try and solve this problem by providing somewhat of a hub specific file sharing environment. There are many hubs that require a certain amount of movies being share and vice versa for other files and hubs. Although, I don't think most users agree with Direct Connect's philosophy about sharing.

Incidently, does anyone else have their computer being rebooted by WinMx? It seems that 5-10 minutes after I start WinMx it automatically reboots my computer. On their website it mentions as one of the new features is that it can close and shutdown the computer when files are finished, but this is suppose to only work on Win 9x. I'm currently using XP home edition. The strange thing is that this does't happen on my XP laptop.

I was trying to find this shutdown feature in the settings menu but can't seem to find it. Anyone else have any ideas as to what's going on?

For the trouble it's worth to find a decent quality movie and download it, I'd rather just fork over a few bucks and rent it or buy the damn thing on DVD. Music is different since the file sizes are a fraction of the size and the quality is near original anyways.

You get what you pay for. (No, your monthly ISP bill doesn't count!)

Dawn...
 

...my practical advice for you to avoid the frustrations of lopsided sharing on WinMX.

Go into 'trading mode' by setting your Max total uploads (Settings | File Transfers | Queuing) to 1. When you start getting people into queue take your time to check their libraries and start uploads manually only for those you judge to deserve them.

Set your max upload bandwidth (Settings | File Transfers | Bandwidth Throttle | Limit outgoing bandwidth) according to your cable upload bandwidth cap. If your uploads are capped at 128 kbit/s, 13.000 bytes/s is a good value in WinMX. For 256 kbit/s cap, set your throttle to 25.000 bytes/s. The idea is to leave some upload bandwidth for your own needs so that your own downloads do not suffer.

Do not limit your download bandwidth in WinMX.

See my further download tips in this thread.

- tg ;)