I will develop a new Filesharing prog!
 

What are your wishes? what do you need? what can I do for making the best filesharing program?
WE ARE THE NETWORK!what is importent for you?how would you call it?
I found a company with some friends called VIsUm-MEDIA .
in the next few weeks our team will buy a domain for the prog. Our aim is to make a free and powerfull Filesharing application for everybody with a strong community.
Also I want to say that we are not a big company! We are "only" some students in Germany, searching for new ways of communication.
greetz
mail:Chris@visum-media.com

Good luck. :tu: Germany is a hotbed for P2P.

Re: I will develop a new Filesharing prog!
 

All I need right now is a small tool to allow a person to run 2 instances on WinMX version 2.6 and 3.? simultaneously. At least until you get yours built:S:

Important issues are encryption and anonymity to me. :ND: And please don't cut dial-up users out of the loop:N:

Good luck:tu:

hi teclis and welcome to nu.:tu: it's always great to have another designer join. please keep us informed of VIsUm-MEDIAs' progress and let us know if there's anything we can do. :beer:

- js.

graet to be in such a forum!whoooho!!:BP:
but some ideas now! :BGS:
What are your wishes? what do you need? what can I do for making the best filesharing program?
WE ARE THE NETWORK!what is importent for you?how would you call it?
:S:

I'd like to see a program that has multi-source download capability. Thats the most important thing to me.

Also, I'd like to see some sort of minimum files shared in order to join, similar to some of the hubs on Direct Connect. I say this because of the bad experiences I've had with Winmx. Seems like only 1 out of 10 people that are downloading my 700MB movies actually share anything back. Yes, I can cut them off, but only when I'm at my computer.

Welcome to the forum Teclis :W:

What about some form of encryption. Other than Filetopia, I can't think of many file sharing apps have implement any sort of security.

Something like audiognome,
Only with a with a multi-user download,better looking.............etc..



Yes write a client that can log-in on the fasttrack network,en with many many many more options than the anoying spyware filled Kazaa client.


;)

we are working on a own decentral network.

I don't need a fancy GUI or a player. I'd like you to concentrate on the good stuff.:)

-Of course swarming downloads
-downloading from partial files(like eDonkey)
-more than 1 connection from 1 user(like a download manager)- Blubster2 might have that
-remote queueing so we know how long the line is
-constant searching for more sources(like iMesh and the fasttrack accelerator)

Hi Teclis and welcome aboard! :beer:

Good basic list, Napho. A little addition:

- ability to search with hash numbers and use hash number hotlinks from a browser (as in ShareReactor/Donkey etc.)

On the more social level some good things to work on:

- permanent verifiable peer identities (so that you know always who you are dealing with)
- a working decentralized hotlist/ignore list system based on the mentioned verifiable peer identities
- easy-to-use personal messaging with logging (so that you can check afterwards what you have been talking with each person)
- even better if you could pass hash number hotlinks in personal messages too ('here's a good track, try this' -> click -> download)
- intelligent leech control so that power users like Dawn (G.R.! :CG: ) don't get frustrated

If you still have steam left after the above, a more advanced social feature which would make your application hot:

- a mechanism for group formation and management (to form AudioGalaxy-type dedicated communities with group sends etc.)

Happy coding! :hax:

- tg ;)

:AF:

A little wish list...
 

Hi Teclis,

add to the important points already mentioned by my fellow Napsterites:

• separate configurable queues for different file types (e.g. audio, video, ... -> )
• dynamically create new upload slots until maximum bandwidth is reached (like eDonkey does)
• implement clients for all popular platforms (Windows, Mac, Unix)
• some sort of bandwidth control would be nice (like WinMX)

I'll add to this list as soon as something else comes to mind.

Until then,
Stoepsel

Hey Teclis, it's nice to see that more fellow p2p users are actually making their own programs. It seems that you have your work cut out for you but since you asked I'll also throw in my suggestions...

What napho and TG have suggested are great and I agree with them. The only thing I would to add is to comment on the partial files suggested by napho:

This is a great feature and I wish more p2p programs would use it. Putting the whole leeching debate aside this feature is great because it creates more sources right away rather then waiting for users to download files that can be as large as 700mb's. As file sizes get larger and larger the problem is only going to get worst and I'm sure most users disconnect the minute they are done downloading so finding more sources is always a pain at first.

Although, I don't believe you should use the same uploadling formula that edonkey uses. For example, when edonkey uploads files it splits your upload bandwidth into several slots. Normally this is ok because even though it's slow everyone else is doing it so you'll get a combined speed of many users.

The problem comes up when you are the only person sharing a file and you want to quickly spread it throughout the network. Edonkey splits your upload slots so that one user can't use your full upload speed. This slows down the spreading of rare files because it takes a long time for one person to get the complete file from you. Also, if you are sharing other files then your rare file is also competing against your other shared files for upload slots. It would nice to have a feature that allows you to give your max upload speed to one user for a rare file. When the file isn't rare anymore you can turn off this feature. Of course, it doesn't have to be exactly like that but I think you get my idea.

Edonkey basically took out almost all upload control from the users which has it's good and bad points. You don't want the users to have too much control were he/she can figure out a way to leech and you don't want too little control were users can't help the network.

If you can figure out how to do this and make it run as quick as FastTrack then I think you may have the new top p2p program of choice. You definitely do have an edge over other programs because you are actually listening to what users want. I wish you good luck, Teclis :tu: I'm sure creating a p2p program isn't an easy thing to do, but I'm sure most of us here at NU will be willing to help you if we can :BL: :beer:

p.s. Don't use Mircosoft's .NET. A lot users aren't willing to install it. Edonkey's new program called Flock uses it and may never become popular even though it's a nice program.

>Good basic list, Napho. A little addition:

>- ability to search with hash numbers and use hash number >hotlinks from a browser (as in ShareReactor/Donkey etc.)

Yep. Definitely a good idea. As part of the program you could also include a forum where people could post edonkey style links.

all I aks is that you keep it open source...... Help P2P to develop!!

JohnDoe is right Teclis, any P2P that interacts with it's users and activly seeks user input will find itsef at the head of the pack in no time, and it's really something we've never seen before.

I myself would like to see boolean searching (something else we've never seen in a P2P before). I'd be nice to enter BT +"Sarah McLachlan" -BTO and get only the results I want.

Minumum share limits and ratios would be nice but you have to give a chance to the newbies who don't actually have anything to share, like a 30 day beginer's period.

How about a hotlist with an integrated chat window so you know who is browsing your files or so you can talk to other people browsing the same archive.

ok! many ideas! good very good!THX PPL!
only one thing..I don't know if it will be opensource...we will see!
Features of the Filesharing Program:
+multi-source downloading(with constant searching for more sources)
+'decentralized network'
+'powerfull interface'
+'bandwidth control'
+downloading from partial files
+'hotlinks'(like edonkey..mhh...we will try it!k?:)
+probably 'partial file downloading'
+'decentral hotlist'(umm..thats hard!;)
+'great community felling'(forum,PM,chat,hotlist)
+'chat'based on irc(later decentral??)
and more?

ok I have to add one thing: I realy don't know if we could import it to linux and mac osX..but we will try it too!

do you want an internal player? if so..based on microshit player or a own playa?

Sounds most excellent :tu:

<holding up my crucifix and garlic cloves> Puleez, no microshit players!!! :D. I'm a Winamp kinda gal :CG:.

I like the way winmx allows you to use yer own playa :D.

Best of Luck!!! I'd be honored to play with your new toy (when you're ready) :tu:

:b: ooh, ooh, yes, me too, I want that! :D

A great filesharing network and app has little point if you can't find what your looking for because your search results window gets cluttered up with a load of unwanted, irrelevant hits.

what do you mean mazer(twinspan)? could you try to explain?

Well, boolean searching is like any web search engine like Yahoo or Google. If you enter two different words like 'George Harrison' you might get 'George Michael' or 'Harrison Ford' as results, but if you type 'George +Harrison' then you'll only get results that include both words. When you search for 'BT' you'll get a lot of results for 'BTO' unless you type 'BT -BTO,' in which case it will exclude the results you don't want. Surrounding a phrase in quotes (") will make it search for exactly that phrase. So you can see that this would be the best tool for people who want to find rare stuff without having to scan through hundreds of results from a vague search. Really, you can't call it a search engine unless it includes these features.

Yay Boolean! :AP:

All these points are good. I think one thing wasn't mentioned though...DO NOT include SPYWARE!!! :no:

John Doe brought up a very good point. I like to think of this as prioritising transfers. I mentioned that in my first post. My database idea is somewhat complicated, but I believe that a client with either built-in links or a browser pane, which links directly to a user-maintained db (much like sharereactor, FTCentral, bitzi or p2pmovies) is perfect in this regard. This is probably the best way to emulate the speed & db capabilities of a server-based system in a decentralised network. I recommend you read that entire thread, as well as this one for some ideas. I realise you must be pressed for time which is why I mentioned only those 2, but there are many threads in this forum that deal with people's expectations from/frustrations with p2p clients.

The second topic deals with broadband issues. Your client shouldn't ignore us poor 56K'ers (of which I'm one), but it should also take high-speed users into account. Especially leeching broadband users (it's a problem with all users regardless of connection speed.) Another important point is not to include an option which easily disables sharing. The client should make sharing easy & transparent, without introducing security risks (like Kazaa's ridiculous auto-scanning thingy.) It would be nice if good sharers are given rewards, like receiving priority in queues (especially for rarer files, which in turn will make them more available etc.)

Finally, if you use some sort of community-driven anti-leeching tool (like DC hubs) you should consider all users needs/circumstances. DC is for example too restrictive, elitist & rather unfriendly. I believe a successful client should be modular (eg. if you want to preview, make use of an external player) for stability & backwards compatability purposes. Never underestimate the power of cross-platform, highly stable, easy-for-newbies-to-use, efficient, optimised, low-system-requirements & backwards-compatable software. The more people using it, the better the community. The better the word-of-mouth, the more varied the content as a result of more users. And so on...

I believe that sums it up. :BL:

AG like Group - Community concept and able to "SEND" files to all group members or user(s) within the group. well, it's not actually "SEND" its remotely initiating other users "search and download" with specific file. in addition "Block Sender" to avoid spammers. :)

Welcome to NU!

two things i would like to see
 

Make it difficult for leeches.Make them have at least a few files to share.If they are downloading a movie they should have some current movies to share.the same with music and software.
the othere thing i ask is make it easy to use like grokster,kaazaa and the old morpheus.E-donkey and direct connect are complicated for us less savy sharers. I love to share with others and can't stand it when i check their files and find nothing. I only have 10GB but i fill her to the max before i start deleting older files.Please let us know on fasttrack central the name of your new site and when it will be open.BE FAIR-SHARE!!:TY:

How about steal^H^H^H^H^Hloaning the idea of the FastTrack network and use supernodes to keep a decentralized network fast _and_ scalable?

Search by File Size

FT has some options but not enough. e.g. if I want to find a dvd rip of a movie, i can rule out trailers, similarly named videos, small fakes etc. by setting search option to:
At Least - 100,000KB.

But that still returns crappy cam caps of movies (around 100~200MB) mixed in with the dvd rips (680MB and up).

File Types

firstly, I want to say that a new p2p app should share all file types, not just one.

secondly, should be able to filter searches by file type and broad categories of file type.
some p2p clients can filter searches by broad categories of file type (audio, video etc.) which is very handy. But they don't always know every file type for a category and so exclude some (e.g. FT excludes .rm Real Video from the Video category).

also, some types of file can only be found in an "everything/all categories" search, e.g. zip files. And, in FT, you can't fine tune searches in the "everything" category filtering by file size, which can be a real pain.
Maybe have a 'compressed' category? all zip, rar etc. files.

thirdly, should be able to block certain file types. for example, i do not want to download any .vbs or.scr files, so it would be handy just to have add them to a blocklist so they never show up in my search results in the first place.
And the app should NOT hide filetype extensions, no matter what the user's own PC settings are on that.

I can't block all the users who don't share anyfile,cause they could be new!you know?´but I will develop a system that they can't block the files they had download at the program! I think thats a good idea!what do you think?



@StereoDeluxe:
yeahh I like the ag community feeling! forum, groups and so on! thats cool! I will try to make the same! but remember that ag is central and our prog will be decentral!

It sounds like you are going to include partial file downloadling like edonkey. Let me just add that this feature is great for new users because they don't have to have any files to start sharing right away. With partial file downloading the second you start downloading you are sharing the parts you have right away.

With the partial file downloading you might want to include ratio sharing as a reward system. For users who upload at something like 1 up:3 down ratio(the ratio can be debated on) they get higher priority in the que lines for files. No one has to upload at that ratio but for the users that do they get a reward. I believe that creating a reward system that doesn't exclude new users (like Direct Connect does) is one of the better ways to reduce the leeching problem.

This might not be such a great idea because what if someone downloads a fake file? If they can't unshare it then we'll have a lot of fakes going around.

That leads me to the next problem. If you can....it would be nice if the internal player can preview a file so you'll know if it is a fake or not. It's also a nice feature to know what the quality is for the file you are downloading. Sometimes other users don't give correct descriptions about the file. For example, they may say it's great quality when it really isn't.

It would also be nice if you can have description windows for the files like Kazaa. There is only so much you can write in the filename.

Any idea of putting in any type of ratio system in a p2p app will turn off users right from the get-go. I'm talking about non-leechers. There will always be a percentage of leechers in any network, but the majority of users do share. .

Yeah. Ratio is a bad idea(will put a lot of people off). I think minimum share is a far better option.

I was thinking about that too. I'm not saying that an inclusion of a ratio system is the best reward system but it would be nice to create some kind of reward based system for those that share a lot.

I was also not saying that a ratio system by itself would be a good idea. I was thinking more of the ratio as a way to keep track of users that shared a lot and then allowing them to have better priority in que lines as a reward rather then using it as an anti-leeching system. Like I said before no one would have to have to upload at a ratio. What I'm saying is if some users do have a good upload to download ratio then they would get some reward for it. Although, I'm sure you will be able to do this with another system besides using a ratio.

Yes, I agree that there will always be users that will leech and it's impossible to expect a completely leech-free network. The percentage also varies from one program to the next. Although, I usually find a lot more sources and selection of files from programs that have some kind of anti-leeching system like edonkey and Direct Connect.

For the majority of users this really isn't a good option. Users can just share fake files or their whole hard drive rather then just actual files that users would want to download. This is a common problem with Direct Connect which requires shared minimums. Also if the share minimums are too high then you'll be excluding a lot of users. Not everyone has large hard drives. This is especially true for users with laptops.

Currently I think that partial file downloads like edonkey is the fairest system. I haven't tried the karma system from Songspy, but other anti-leeching methods aren't too great for the majority of users.

Please make it a website!
 

There's just something about using a website that makes it so easy to share files. I'm really pro AG and biased at that!

Who wants to work with a confusing program like DirectConnect, WinMX, or Soulseek. What a waste of space with all of those windows!!!

Something simple and easy to use like AudioGalaxy or Badblue (although Badblue takes up 99% CPU - what a shame).

But of course...like you said, Teclis, I'm in favor of a decentralized network.

And again I like that idea about using boolean searching, Mazer

I like the google way of doing it (this is the only search engine that i use)....put quotes around a phrase that you want.

Basically anything that AudioGalaxy had in terms of the BB's and groups would be awesome.

Also...I'd love another logfile of all of the songs downloaded to show your progress...

This is all I can think about...

Thanks Teclis for wanting to do this!!!

I noticed just the other day that the 100,000 KB thing is just a guide. You can click on it and enter any file size at all, and it works. 600,000KB can be really usefull.

Mine is KaZaA Lite 1.7.1

twinspan (& others) brought up some excellent points:[list=1][*]Custom search categories : FTrack clients have this feature, for example video, software etc. However, they should suit your needs ie. I can add .rm to video, create a new category (using custom file-type & keyword filters) or even hide certain categories under the options. I would like the ability to have a general search view, as well as self-categorised results. For example, in Kazaa's "My Files" section, clicking on 'all' shows all your files, but 'videos' displays vids only. This is also a feature that many download managers (FlashGet, GetRight, DAP etc.) have, although I'd like this in my search results. :beer:[*]Security & virus filters : I'd like to add that it would be good to filter out most files with double-barreled extensions eg. *.mp3.vbs; *.jpg.exe etc. but you should show all extensions regardless for obvious reasons. Notable exceptions might include *.exe.zip (although if your custom search categories were well designed it shouldn't be necessary.)[*]Ease of use : FileTopia (although difficult for many to use) has a nice toggle between 'expert mode' & the basic view. Something like this could be useful for p2p junkies as well as newbies. This may sound dorky, but I think the easy mode should be educational eg. if someone tries to download an .exe, there might be a warning in a side panel (beneath the search parameters for example) about viruses, links to anti-virus resources & maybe a brief definition/tips. It's amazing how many people using computers know absolutely nothing about them! :uu: Perhaps the expert mode could have a little quiz which you must pass before tinkering with & potentially screwing up your system. :BL:[/list=1]
Personally, I think that this is a brilliant idea! There are always going to be fakers etc. & if you successfully integrate your 'hotlinks' feature it'll be even better!! My only concerns are that people continually move files between folders/drives/media. Will this feature allow for this & another important question is will you be able to share files from removable media (CD-r, zip drives, unmapped network drives) effortlessly? AG is the only client I've used which allows for diversity & fluctuaton in media, without having to map network drives etc.
I agree with oscar 100% :tu: Ratios are very off-putting to newbies. This might be something to consider for an 'expert mode', as JohnDoe345 mentioned. Newbies should be encouraged ie. they can sit down with minimum configuration hassle & immediately begin searching & downloading. They tell their friends how cool your program is, so they d/l & install it. You have to remember that everyone was a noob at some point & that they should be made comfortable, which in turn will create more happy sharers as they learn & mature.

I can't wait to see the results! :TY:
{Edit : credit given where credit is due! ;) }

I agree that making it easy to use is one of the most important feature that you should work on. A lot of users stick to only a few p2p programs because they don't want to take the time or hassle to learn a more complicated program even if it is better. You might want to somewhat copy the easy of use of Kazaa or Xolox. I'm sure there are some others but those are the only ones I can think of at the moment. I also agree that there should be a basic mode and an advance mode.

I was rethinking this idea and maybe it is a pretty good feature. If you do download a fake file then you can simply delete it so that it won't be shared on the network anymore. Of course, users can just download, burn, and delete so that they don't have to share. Although, it is a nice feature as an addition to partial downloading.

I guess we really won't know what features will truely work until we have tried a beta version of your program. :D

Going even further off-topic: All Kazaa versions support this. I'm using 1.4 right now and set the minimum filesize to 500,000 KB when searching for movies. This seems to be the best limit for DVD rips - Dogma for instance is 592 MB, but it's an excellent DVD rip :)

<twinspan continues his obsession with searches>

SAVED SEARCHES
when there's a particular file I'm having trouble finding, i need to search for it several times; I hate (in FT) having to type the same damned terms and setting the parameters over & over again. Please: saved searches!!! (doesn't have to save the results of the search, just the query terms/filters so that I can run it again with one click)

@Fantomyou're a star! I can't believe I never tried that; i just assumed because there was a drop menu that those options were my only... options. :D

I can confirm it works in Grokster 1.5.1 as well.

hard weekend
 

ok this will be a hard weekend for us! we will work all the time on the program!hope that we can develop a beta very fast!at moment we have only the network(with some bugs too) but we will implement the gui this weekend!


GIVE ME SOME COFFEE :J:

Re: hard weekend
 

This might be a Good Time for an Upgrade... :shk:

I would like to see my favorite feature in AudioGalaxy: Find Users by Favorite Artists they listed in their profiles. I learned of many artists/genres that way that I had never explored before.

Hi zuppi and welcome to Napsterites! :beer:

The profile pages you mention are a good example of the socially intelligent features that AudioGalaxy managed to develop before Hilary Rosen gave her kiss of death to the service.

Finding good collectors whose interests match yours is often the best way to find good music. Decentralized p2p has much to learn from AG.

- tg ;)

thats what I ment with a strong community!like ag! we will try to implement that...........:BP:

hi blury_ & zuppi and welcome to the boards at nu. :) thanks for joining. :tu:

- js.

I'm happy to be part of this community. Tank Girl, I remember your well thought out posts from back in Napster forum days. (I never posted there, but I lurked and learned!)

Zuppi, what she's really saying is Gemini Rules. Don't let her fool you. :hmm:



Welcome btw :W:

twinspan : you should be using clean iMesh if those are the features you want from an FT client. Although, it does use a lot more memory than KazaaLite.

which features? saved searches?

if so, great! i already got clean iMesh; but haven't tried it out much as when I ran it & clean Grokster 1.5.1 side by side, Grokster came up with more results and instantly found a source to download from, whereas iM kept saying 'searching'.

i'll try out iM some more. altho Dr. Damn has just come out with clean Grokster 1.6...

Yup, that's what I meant! There's an option to automatically save search strings, which it does by default, as well as advanced search options. For example you could save a search titled 'HQ movies' which searches for movie files > 500Mb, and apply this to any search string. Quite nifty! :D Sorry for being a bit vague before.
I've noticed this too! This is due to the similar nature of FT clients (it's always advised not to install 2 @ once, but I did anyway.) When I experienced this, I could only search with iM & not with KL. I suspect that's because I opened iM first & I suspect you opened Grokster first, am I right? If you run them seperately there's no problem though!

auto-resume and auto-source
 

I think these features are really good ... auto-source being even better since auto-resume just targets the original destination again (and that user might have logged off, etc); auto-source will look for a new destination and pickup where it left off (if possible)

Nope.

I opened iM, then opened G. Searched on iM, then on G. Clicked 'download' on iM and waited. And waited. Then clicked 'download' on G. Source found instantly and download commenced. Shut down iM.

Also tested iM completely alone ('queued' for ages). Shut it down, transferred the DAT to G's folder, started G and it found a source for download straight away.

Hmmm... maybe I could just do all my searching in iM and then let G take over the downloads...

back from the underground....alpha coulbe ready soon

what's the news on this program now???

Hey Teclis -
I think an important feature is to make sure the P2P network is ENTIRELY decentralized - like Blubster, where you connect directly to users, and not like WinMX, with which you must access the central server in order to plug in to the decentralized network (WinMX is not decentralized for safety, but for scalability). This way it can't be shut down (WinMX can!!!!!!!).

That's definitely an important point. Make it decentralized and if possible, provide several alternative ways to invite people into the network.

Welcome aboard NoVa, enjoy your stay at Napsterites! :beer:

- tg ;)

Thanks! :J:

I'm really excited cause i finally got Napster to run on OpenNap servers and although some networks are better, it just reminds me of old times, when you could type anything in on Napster, no matter how rare, and find it on a T3 with a ping of 15 and download it in 30 seconds.. ahh.. those were the days. Of course it doesn't work that way anymore, but its still cool!

Hello everybody :W:

Hi teclis,


I would just like one more feature added with regard to eliminating fake or deliberately 'contaminated' files (presumably by the record companies themselves).

Lately, I have been downloading some files that are either mono or start to skip at the end or contain complete silence. Though previewing the file at the start of the download could help in the first and third scenario, it doesnt when the file has been tampered with at the end or in the middle.

So there could be some kinda MD5 checksums of search results that could be verified against a 'trusted' list or by eliminating the 'bad seeds' by means of rating/poll or something else.

It could be very difficult to implement especially in a de-centralized network, but that would be a cool forward-looking feature.

Regards,
Krish

hi krish! welcome to nu :tu: :beer:

- js.

Hey guys I am new here too:W:, GREAT site you have here

Features I would like to get added:

*Good tight-nit community(decentralized hot list,pm,chat,forum)
*File resume/pause
*When a user signs off, find another user with the same file to dl from
*exciting interface(not important but pleasing)
*File Preview on ALL video/audio files
*ability to import download files from uninstalled versions of program
*56k user friendly
*media reccomendations(I would LOVE that)
*media reviews(another one i would love)
*simple ease of use
*ability to join more than one uuser to download a file from
*ability to report a virus
*ability to boot user sharing viruses

that is all I can currently think of