War on terror to last till 2040?
 

Inthenews.co.uk:

US military operations in Iraq and Afghanistan, as well as Washington's wider war on terror, are likely to continue until 2040, a new report states.

Today's study from the Oxford Research Group (ORG) claims that the George Bush administration's mistake in supplanting Saddam Hussein by force has effectively turned the conflict into what the White House itself now dubs the "long war". Report author Paul Rogers, global security consultant at ORG, also explains that political upheaval in the US following the midterm elections is unlikely to signal any lasting change in policy direction. The professor claims that such was the extent of public dissatisfaction with the president's tactics in Iraq, that the Democrats were able to gain control of both houses of Congress without standing on the commitment of withdrawal from the Middle East.

He goes on to say that politicians' hands are effectively tied, however, as any such withdrawal could grant extremists control of an oil-rich region; despite the obvious problem that 150,000 soldiers in Iraq is a "magnet for radicalism". "There still lies the enduring importance of the Persian Gulf oil reserves, with both the US and China increasingly relying on the region, which means that it would be entirely unacceptable for the US to consider withdrawal from Iraq, no matter how insecure the environment," the report states.

Professor Rogers writes that Iraq has become the world centre for the training of Islamic militants, just as Afghanistan was in the face of Soviet occupation in the 1980s.

In the report, the professor says: "Most people believe that the recent elections mark the beginning of the end of the Bush era but that does not apply to the war on terror. "In reality there will be little change until the US faces up to the need for a fundamental rethink of its policies. So far, even with the election results, there is no real sign of that."

we're never getting out of there alive i'm afraid.

- js.

As in U?

He's a Professor, therefore his word and guesses are 100% true. He cannot be wrong.

P.S. did I mention he's a Professor?

Who Nics?

yep, me's da professer of (or) pussy.

heshe ...., I likes it all.

Happy Thanksgiving :ghug:

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i see how long the war on terror is supposed to last - did they mention when it's going to start?

Would that information have made any difference?

I certainly hope not. America was involved in Veitnam for over 20 years, although heavily for only around 12 years. I hope this gets' resolved alot quicker. I don't personally think the leaders of the USA want to get out of Iraq at all. It serves too many different purposes for the powers that be.

Please expand upon what you believe these "purposes" to be. I love hearing this shit.

Well I believe they use it to keep the the citizens at a low level of fear. This pertains to the "War on Terror" in general. Keeping us slightly worried about being attacked helps them pass laws to help control the population. Such as the so called Patriot Act. It also helps them maintain and even increase military spending which helps all of their elite buddies who all but run the industry. Like Halliburton who is building several massive military bases in the middle east.
Mostly you have the elite individuals who control the money and power. They use the "War on Terror" and such to further consolidate the power and wealth into the hands of fewer and fewer individuals. It's not just the USA, or the politicians, who benefit from a war on terrorism. Terrorism has been used in the past as an excuse to weaken civil liberties and consolidate power and wealth.
The war in Iraq is just a symptom of an ongoing effort by the powers that be to control populations and consolidate wealth and power.

it riles them to believe that you perceive the web the weave, and keep on thinking free :EA:

realize

real eyes

real lies

Ah, so your belief is that their aren't really terrorists gunning to blow us up, it's all a big conspiracy by BUSHALIBURTONROVE, Inc. to keep us plebes scared? Islamofascists already attacked us numerous times during the 90's and 3000 of us 5 years ago...what more do they have to do for them to show you they are a threat? Nuke us?

I never said there weren't terrorists. Don't try to twist my words. Yes I do believe there is a "conspiracy" by the powerful and wealthy(not only in the USA) to increase their wealth and power at the expense of us "plebes". I never said terrorism isn't a threat. But a war on terrorism isn't a winnable war in my opinion. There will always be people who believe in a cause so fervently that they are willing to resort to terrorist tactics. The war in Iraq had little or nothing to do with terrorism.

I gave you a few reasons why I believe the powerful politicians would want a war in Iraq. I can't speak for them personally and probably wouldn't believe them if they told us why we are really there. Why do you think we are there? To free the Iraqii people? We already know the politicians lied to us about their reasons for invading Iraq. Why should they need to lie to us if their motives were genuinely good?

Good question.

Why is this not made more public...

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12319798/

Why are they building this anyway?

hope they put a helicopter pad on the roof.

last chopper out of Saigon:

There weren't before. Perhaps this isn't the eternal struggle between good and evil you think it is. The threat of terrorism will end, as all things do. It's only a matter of when, and can we expedite that end?

I just don't believe that. Terrorism has been going on for thousands of years. The weapons and means may have changed, but terrorism itself has been around a long long time.

MW defines terrorism as : the systematic use of terror especially as a means of coercion.

You can't really honestly tell me that this is a new idea.

are you kidding? "there weren't before" - before when, the Bronze Age? before al queda, there were Shining Path, the Tamil Tigers, the Weatherman, the Red Brigade, the Wobblies, thr PLO, the IRA, the Basques etc etc on back throughout history. there has never been a time when human beings weren't committing violence against innocent people for political purposes.

Venarial is correct - the "war on terror" can never be "won".

So the answer is to...ignore it?

That may have been policy under the Clinton admin but it's not going to fly any longer.

We need to seek out the cause of terrorism and fix the problem, not go to war with the symptom which is terrorism. Ignore terrorism? No. Go to war forever to try and stop it? I'm not going to back a perpetual war. Let alone the next 34 years.

I'd like to know how invading Iraq and Afghanistan has helped win a "war on terror"? Everyone knows that the World Trade Center attack was perpetrated by Saudi Arabian terrorists. Why are we still friends with them? Why don't we invade Saudi Arabia? How has the ability to sneak and peak in American homes (read Patriot Act) helped? How has classifying civil protest groups as domestic terrorist groups helped? How has the reclassification of what constitutes torture helped? Why would they include a section immuning themselves from prosecution concerning torture unless they were afraid of being prosecuted?

Sorry, getting a bit off topic. Maybe all of that is fine with some people, but not with me.

Ah, the ever present "root causes" meme. Seeking understanding and enjoying a little dhimmitude has always worked when dealing with homicidal religious maniacs. Perhaps we can bake them cookies!

It'll end, one way or another. What do you suppose that end will be, and when?

And whats wrong with trying to find the root cause? We wouldn't know if "Seeking understanding and enjoying a little dhimmitude(not sure thats even a word)" would even work. We haven't tried it.

Why won't you answer some of my questions instead of just making smart assed comments? I did my best to answer your question intelligently. If you are trying to make me seem silly and foolish for my point of view, I think you are having the opposite effect.

he can't - that's all he's got.

Dhimmitude normally refers to Muslim-state sponsored protection racketeering for non-Muslims. The word is a pejorative. It hasn't worked to solve terrorism: as you say the 9/11 terrorists were Saudi and every day we pay Saudi Arabia millions of dollars for oil. Those monies could be thought of as tribute, as if the United States was Saudi Arabia's client state under its protection. The fact that we have the Saudi government protecting our economic interests has not prevent Saudi terrorists from attacking us. Of course, not all terrorists come from that one country so we can't just focus on them. Trying to figure out what motivates terrorists is like trying to figure out why africanized honeybees swarm and kill people. We already know why, and it's too late to fix the problem.

Who's "we"? Can there possibly be other dimwits who haven't learned how religious terrorism is spred? You should all get together and google "madrassa", "wahhabism", "koran", etc.


Or you could just continue saying you need to do something without actually doing it. Lot easier, less brain-strain.

Whoa! I think I found the fabled "root cause", from a little known tome called the "Koran", I hear muslims might read it:

Do I get a prize now for solving the endless riddle of the "root cause"?

NO!

Kill People Who Don't Listen to Priests
Anyone arrogant enough to reject the verdict of the judge or of the priest who represents the LORD your God must be put to death. Such evil must be purged from Israel. (Deuteronomy 17:12 NLT)

Kill Witches
You should not let a sorceress live. (Exodus 22:17 NAB)

Kill Homosexuals
"If a man lies with a male as with a women, both of them shall be put to death for their abominable deed; they have forfeited their lives." (Leviticus 20:13 NAB)

Kill Fortunetellers
A man or a woman who acts as a medium or fortuneteller shall be put to death by stoning; they have no one but themselves to blame for their death. (Leviticus 20:27 NAB)

Death for Hitting Dad
Whoever strikes his father or mother shall be put to death. (Exodus 21:15 NAB)

Death for Cursing Parents
1) If one curses his father or mother, his lamp will go out at the coming of darkness. (Proverbs 20:20 NAB)
2) All who curse their father or mother must be put to death. They are guilty of a capital offense. (Leviticus 20:9 NLT)

Death for Adultery
If a man commits adultery with another man's wife, both the man and the woman must be put to death. (Leviticus 20:10 NLT)

Death for Fornication
A priest's daughter who loses her honor by committing fornication and thereby dishonors her father also, shall be burned to death. (Leviticus 21:9 NAB)

Death to Followers of Other Religions
Whoever sacrifices to any god, except the Lord alone, shall be doomed. (Exodus 22:19 NAB)

Kill Nonbelievers
They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman. (2 Chronicles 15:12-13 NAB)

Kill False Prophets
If a man still prophesies, his parents, father and mother, shall say to him, "You shall not live, because you have spoken a lie in the name of the Lord." When he prophesies, his parents, father and mother, shall thrust him through. (Zechariah 13:3 NAB)

Kill the Entire Town if One Person Worships Another God
Suppose you hear in one of the towns the LORD your God is giving you that some worthless rabble among you have led their fellow citizens astray by encouraging them to worship foreign gods. In such cases, you must examine the facts carefully. If you find it is true and can prove that such a detestable act has occurred among you, you must attack that town and completely destroy all its inhabitants, as well as all the livestock. Then you must pile all the plunder in the middle of the street and burn it. Put the entire town to the torch as a burnt offering to the LORD your God. That town must remain a ruin forever; it may never be rebuilt. Keep none of the plunder that has been set apart for destruction. Then the LORD will turn from his fierce anger and be merciful to you. He will have compassion on you and make you a great nation, just as he solemnly promised your ancestors. "The LORD your God will be merciful only if you obey him and keep all the commands I am giving you today, doing what is pleasing to him." (Deuteronomy 13:13-19 NLT)

Kill Women Who Are Not Virgins On Their Wedding Night
But if this charge is true (that she wasn't a virgin on her wedding night), and evidence of the girls virginity is not found, they shall bring the girl to the entrance of her fathers house and there her townsman shall stone her to death, because she committed a crime against Israel by her unchasteness in her father's house. Thus shall you purge the evil from your midst. (Deuteronomy 22:20-21 NAB)

Kill Followers of Other Religions.
1) If your own full brother, or your son or daughter, or your beloved wife, or you intimate friend, entices you secretly to serve other gods, whom you and your fathers have not known, gods of any other nations, near at hand or far away, from one end of the earth to the other: do not yield to him or listen to him, nor look with pity upon him, to spare or shield him, but kill him. Your hand shall be the first raised to slay him; the rest of the people shall join in with you. You shall stone him to death, because he sought to lead you astray from the Lord, your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, that place of slavery. And all Israel, hearing of this, shall fear and never do such evil as this in your midst. (Deuteronomy 13:7-12 NAB)
2) Suppose a man or woman among you, in one of your towns that the LORD your God is giving you, has done evil in the sight of the LORD your God and has violated the covenant by serving other gods or by worshiping the sun, the moon, or any of the forces of heaven, which I have strictly forbidden. When you hear about it, investigate the matter thoroughly. If it is true that this detestable thing has been done in Israel, then that man or woman must be taken to the gates of the town and stoned to death. (Deuteronomy 17:2-5 NLT)

Death for Blasphemy
One day a man who had an Israelite mother and an Egyptian father got into a fight with one of the Israelite men. During the fight, this son of an Israelite woman blasphemed the LORD's name. So the man was brought to Moses for judgment. His mother's name was Shelomith. She was the daughter of Dibri of the tribe of Dan. They put the man in custody until the LORD's will in the matter should become clear. Then the LORD said to Moses, "Take the blasphemer outside the camp, and tell all those who heard him to lay their hands on his head. Then let the entire community stone him to death. Say to the people of Israel: Those who blaspheme God will suffer the consequences of their guilt and be punished. Anyone who blasphemes the LORD's name must be stoned to death by the whole community of Israel. Any Israelite or foreigner among you who blasphemes the LORD's name will surely die. (Leviticus 24:10-16 NLT)

Kill False Prophets
1) Suppose there are prophets among you, or those who have dreams about the future, and they promise you signs or miracles, and the predicted signs or miracles take place. If the prophets then say, 'Come, let us worship the gods of foreign nations,' do not listen to them. The LORD your God is testing you to see if you love him with all your heart and soul. Serve only the LORD your God and fear him alone. Obey his commands, listen to his voice, and cling to him. The false prophets or dreamers who try to lead you astray must be put to death, for they encourage rebellion against the LORD your God, who brought you out of slavery in the land of Egypt. Since they try to keep you from following the LORD your God, you must execute them to remove the evil from among you. (Deuteronomy 13:1-5 NLT)
2) But any prophet who claims to give a message from another god or who falsely claims to speak for me must die.' You may wonder, 'How will we know whether the prophecy is from the LORD or not?' If the prophet predicts something in the LORD's name and it does not happen, the LORD did not give the message. That prophet has spoken on his own and need not be feared. (Deuteronomy 18:20-22 NLT)

Infidels and Gays Should Die
So God let them go ahead and do whatever shameful things their hearts desired. As a result, they did vile and degrading things with each other's bodies. Instead of believing what they knew was the truth about God, they deliberately chose to believe lies. So they worshiped the things God made but not the Creator himself, who is to be praised forever. Amen. That is why God abandoned them to their shameful desires. Even the women turned against the natural way to have sex and instead indulged in sex with each other. And the men, instead of having normal sexual relationships with women, burned with lust for each other. Men did shameful things with other men and, as a result, suffered within themselves the penalty they so richly deserved. When they refused to acknowledge God, he abandoned them to their evil minds and let them do things that should never be done. Their lives became full of every kind of wickedness, sin, greed, hate, envy, murder, fighting, deception, malicious behavior, and gossip. They are backstabbers, haters of God, insolent, proud, and boastful. They are forever inventing new ways of sinning and are disobedient to their parents. They refuse to understand, break their promises, and are heartless and unforgiving. They are fully aware of God's death penalty for those who do these things, yet they go right ahead and do them anyway. And, worse yet, they encourage others to do them, too. (Romans 1:24-32 NLT)

Kill Anyone who Approaches the Tabernacle
For the LORD had said to Moses, 'Exempt the tribe of Levi from the census; do not include them when you count the rest of the Israelites. You must put the Levites in charge of the Tabernacle of the Covenant, along with its furnishings and equipment. They must carry the Tabernacle and its equipment as you travel, and they must care for it and camp around it. Whenever the Tabernacle is moved, the Levites will take it down and set it up again. Anyone else who goes too near the Tabernacle will be executed.' (Numbers 1:48-51 NLT)

Kill People for Working on the Sabbath
The LORD then gave these further instructions to Moses: 'Tell the people of Israel to keep my Sabbath day, for the Sabbath is a sign of the covenant between me and you forever. It helps you to remember that I am the LORD, who makes you holy. Yes, keep the Sabbath day, for it is holy. Anyone who desecrates it must die; anyone who works on that day will be cut off from the community. Work six days only, but the seventh day must be a day of total rest. I repeat: Because the LORD considers it a holy day, anyone who works on the Sabbath must be put to death.' (Exodus 31:12-15 NLT)



The root cause is not the Koran, it is religion in general. No Price for you

If Christians and Jews were blowing themselves up to kill non-Christians and Jews I might be inclined to agree with you, thankfully though they're more civilized.

Lo and behold ladies and gentleman, I just gave you the root cause.

hypocrisy

More smart assed comments from the gallery. It's nice to know that you know me better than myself. You assume I don't do anything, when in fact I do.

Anyhow, I didn't mean to turn this into a religious discussion. I agree that organised religion is a part of the cause, but I don't believe it is the one and only root cause.

What about some of my other questions, such as.....

Why do you think we are in Iraq? Why should the politicians need to lie to us if their motives were genuinely good? How has the ability to sneak and peak in American homes (read Patriot Act) helped in the war on terror? How has classifying civil protest groups as domestic terrorist groups helped? How has the reclassification of what constitutes torture helped? Why would they include a section immuning themselves from prosecution concerning torture unless they were afraid of being prosecuted?

Again with the "we". I feel safe in assuming that "you" are not in Iraq and know for certain that I am not and can't help but think that you are a complete imbecile for not comprehending even that simple fact. And there's no sense in telling a complete imbecile anything.

Bush laid out the reasoning in his 2003 SotU speech. read up.

Faulty intel = LIE!

Can you offer proof that it hasn't?

Please provide some examples.

Sure. Barking dogs and loud music are not torture and should never be classified as such. A guy in NY can be picked up for selling a dime bag, the police can yell in his face and tell him he's going to jail, and they are perfectly within the law in doing so. If that was done to an enemy combatant that would be termed torture. Something is obviously wrong there and needed to be fixed.

Because foreign nations (read: EUROPE) are pussified appeasement specialists and deem harsh words yelled at a detainee to be cruel and unusual torture.

Thank gawd here we have another idiot, not hindered by any knowledge what so ever thank you so very much, who thinks of himself a specialist on how we europeans think?

Please explain to this dutchy how i think? Last time i checked we are still situated on the european continent

I can only go on the info I have, such as Belguim and their kooky "universal jurisdiction" going after Tommy Franks, or German yahoos wanting to prosecute Rumsfeld. You guys whine and seethe over the "atrocities" committed against terrorists.

ergo, appeasement specialists.

So Belgium and Germany is Europe? That is as dumb as saying that, insert two states here, make up for the entire U.S.A.

But let me guess, you get your info from the mainstream media mainly Fox right?

I have posted this before but here, just for you.

fox is not fair and balanced on the right of that page click "Bekijk hier de uitzending OUTFOXED" a annoying 1 minute dutch intro and some pesky dutch subtitles but you will be able to figure out what it is all about.

and here also posted earlier. I can not even begin to express how proud you must be with place 53 right along such great democraties like Tonga, Croatia and Botswana. 8 places below Mozambique. 12 places below El Salvador.

If this is the freedom you are trying to spread around the world, than by all means KEEP IT!

I don't even watch Fox you twit.

Good kneejerk reaction though, totally typical of your type.

No but my brother and 2 of my close cousins are in Iraq. I'm sorry if I over generalised. I mean military personel of the USA and of course citizens of Iraq. Military personel to be specific. I mean we as in Everyone in the USA because we can only blame it on ourselves for allowing it to happen. I am included. I was all for the war when it began, but I can admit my mistakes. I trusted my leaders and they lied to me.

Whether you think I am an imbecile or not is up to you. And yet you continue to answer with only smart assed(well maybe dumb assed) comments to my inquiries. At least Necrodancer takes the time to refute my argument and maybe change my opinion.
These are in response to Necrodancers answer to my questions.

On question 1 I don't believe Bush or anything he says, but I will look into it more.

On question 2 I would have to disagree. Are you telling me that they didn't lie?

On question 3 I have heard of several instances where the "sneak and peek" tactics have been used against regular american citizens. Here is an old, but pertinent article about the subject. http://www.washtimes.com/op-ed/20030...0549-8745r.htm
Pretty much they can come into your house and take any info without letting anyone know. They can also get info from others concerning you(or I) and if they tell you(or I) that the government is looking up on you(or I) they can be charged and imprisoned. That is the truth. Read the Patriot Act.

#4. Look at the FBI screwing with Martin Luther King. Yeah, that was a long time ago, but do you really think they have changed all that much? PETA is on the list of domestic terrorists. That is People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals. http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/05/19/dom...ism/index.html

#5
I agree. But we don't need to rule out the Geneva Convention. We should still treat other humans in a humane way. How we would like our brothers in arms to be treated in a war.

#6
Well that is your point of view. I personally think that pre-emptive war is tantamount to a war crime. It is attacking someone without provocation. Now I admit that before the war with Iraq I was a proponent. I thought of it as seeing a bully coming at you with a knife. You don't wait for the bully to stab you. You defend yourself. Now I see the error of my ways(or the lies of the politicians). It could be like telling your kid on the playground to kick a smaller kids butt because you think that kid might grow up to be a bigger kid and a bigger bully.
I see the lies I was told by my government to excuse the war. I wasn't told the truth. I will give any yahoo off the street a chance, but if he lies to me(and gets a bunch of my compatriots killed) I have a hard time believing anything they say. Especially when it seems they are trying to cover their tracks. I can see why the Europeans or any others would want to try Bush or his cronies in a court of law. You don't seriously think they added the new Torture immunity because they were worried about Europe do you? I'm sure Bush could live comfortably in Crawford for the rest of his days.

OK I'm done for now.

Twit? why thank you, you vapid fucknut.
I never claimed you did watch Fox. I said:"let me GUESS" but i understand that the word guess must be a difficult one for you. I mean english is only your first language.
And did you see that question mark at the end of that sentence? Probably not but take a closer look I was actually asking a question.

Typical of my type. I will consider that a compliment.
Twice now you claim to know how I, or other Europeans, think based on the gas you blow out of your ass. When are you going to astound us with some FACTS on how we think? <--- Hint, that is a question!

It is so funny that twice in a row now, you rip my posts totally out of context yet are able to debunk yourself. Albed is that you? :)

Why bother? You clearly already have made up your mind, damn the facts man!

Faulty intel, from all over the world, was used as justification. People seem to forget that every country on the planet thought Saddam had WMD's.

So you don't have any proof of it happening, just a hypothetical. got it.

Wow, King? Nothing like 40 year old examples involving people that are either dead or no longer in the FBI to prove your point. Hey I hear cowboys killed a bunch of Injuns 150 years ago, do you really think Cowboys have changed all that much?

As for PETA, they are known supporters of ELF, the terrorist "activist" group that enjoys blowing up car dealerships, ski resorts and condos. So yeah, they deserve a little scrutiny.

First off, claiming terrorists are "human" is you first mistake. Your second is thinking they won't kill our POW's if we treat their buddies like kings in Gitmo, that's not only insane, it's borderline retarded. They were decapitating our people long before Abu Ghraib came into the news cycle.

Yeah, that's exactly why.

things must be a little slow over on the blog these days for necrohegespan, with the implosion of the GOP and the utter disintegration of the Bush presidency. six years of defending clowns must be wearing a little thin by now - he's about the only one left still swinging away for the Prez :to3:

It is nice to see that no matter how long I'm away I can always come back and see you're still as stupid as ever.

Hey, look who came back... My favorite chewtoy :D

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Hey, look who is still here...My favorite ignorant twat :D

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Oh Messy, you're such a card :L2:









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On Bush, yes. The fact is that he is a liar.

I'm sure you have facts to back that statement up as well. Yeah every country thought Saddam had WMD's. *sarcasm*
If you would do a bit of research you would find that several people in the intelligence community said that alot of the intelligence was faulty before we went to war. What about the Plame case?

The fact is that it could happen. Section 213 of the USA Patriot Act. I have seen documentaries with people telling their stories of it happening. Of course the whole purpose of a sneak and peek is to not have it noticed or reported. And if you do say something you could be put in jail.

I was just trying to make a point. How about the East Lansing Animal Rights Movement or By Any Means Necessary (BAMN), a national advocacy group working to defend racial integration and affirmative action in education and the workplace. The point is that our government watches anyone who they think is a threat to themselves and not the nation as a whole. Non-violent people. How about the Pentagon Report about spying on peace activists and veterans?

There you go again thinking you know what I think. I never said I think they won't kill our POW's. But I thought we were supposed to be better than that and a good example to the world. Apparently you think we should act just like them. And I do think terrorists are human also. Maybe misguided and overly militant. Maybe they have less value for human life than I do. But they are still human.

Why do you think they added the immunity clause?

Well that's that then.


"Every" might have been a reach, but certainly every country that matters on the world stage. Because I'm too lazy to Google for every single country, I'll just offer Hans Blix's 2003 report to the UN, in which he said Iraq had not complied with resolutions to both destroy their WMD stockpile and document the destruction: http://www.un.org/Depts/unmovic/Bx27.htm

Ah Joe Wilson...it seems despite being refuted and debunked by the bipartisan Senate Select Committee On Intelligence people still seem to think he has credibility.



And I've seen documentaries of people saying they've seen Elvis and space aliens. Anecdotal evidence is not gospel. Also it's amazing how these poor souls you saw, supposedly, on this documentary are "saying something" in spite of your assertion that they can be "put in jail". Reckless daredevils they are.



They also watch groups like the Aryan Nation and radical religious groups. Keeping an eye on crazy radicals is something I would hope our government would do. Remember Oklahoma City?

That's interesting. Do you have a link to the actual "Pentagon Papers" and not some obviously biased article?

We are. If you think beheading a prisoner and having a dog bark in one's face are in any way analogous, you're either insane, retarded or both.

To quote you "There you go again thinking you know what I think". I don't think we need to start beheading prisoners on live TV, strapping bombs to GI's chests and sending them into crowds or blaming the Jews for everything, I just would like to be able to get workable intel from these scumbags when we get them. Do you really think waterboarding and slaps are the same as chopping off someones head?

Just another area where you and I differ.


Now we're retreading, I already went over why. Pay attention.

WOW

Only 2 post and you hit the ceiling, new record :BL:

Yeah whoa, I better let up, I don't wanna make any waves. Not my style.

I guess so.
Oh but we comply with all the UN resolutions. *more sarcasm* Besides it seems that they did get rid of their stockpiles.
I hadn't heard of that. Maybe you could give me a source on that.
Or they could be considered patriots who are voicing their opposition to unjust laws.
I would hardly consider Veterans for Peace to be a "crazy radical" group.
No I haven't found the papers yet, but I have put in a few queries. And this has been reported by many news outlets, not just the "biased" sources.
Yes we are better, but we are also regressing in our policy about torture. No chopping someones head off is not the same as dogs or slaps or waterboards. I don't think they were trying to gather intel by chopping heads off, though.
So you are seriously telling me that you excuse for the immunity clause is..."Because foreign nations (read: EUROPE) are pussified appeasement specialists and deem harsh words yelled at a detainee to be cruel and unusual torture." That's pretty weak reasoning.

Since when, last time you went tsunami, led you to a new user name.

Which resolutions don't we comply with? And even if we didn't comply that doesn't mean Saddam gets a free pass. And the issue was he needed to get rid of them in compliance with UN resolutions, which means the destruction had to be documented, something Blix found they didn't do. Shipping them off to Syria or burying them in the desert is not getting rid of them correctly.
http://www.factcheck.org/article222.html
http://www.globalsecurity.org/intell...chapter2-b.htm
"that in June 1999,(REDACTED) businessman, approached him and insisted that (Niger Prime Minister) Mayaki meet with an Iraqi delegation to discuss "expanding commercial relations" between Niger and Iraq. The intelligence report said that Mayaki interpreted "expanding commercial relations" to mean that the delegation wanted to discuss uranium yellowcake sales. The intelligence report also said that "although the meeting took place, Mayaki let the matter drop due to the UN sanctions on Iraq."

So they're full of shit yet that's cool with you because they're courageous dissenters? got it.

Timothy McVeigh was a vet. John Kerry's former group, Vietnam Veterans Against the War, actually discussed assassinating a Senator.

Do these "many news outlets" also describe the origin of these supposed reports as the utterly credible "e-mails and sources"...Wooo Eeee, with ironclad sources such as that I'm sold!

You say regressing, I say evolving. It's not 1945 anymore.

As I told you before, sissified Europeons are eager as fuck to get their hands on anyone that has anything to do with the war and or detainees. Look how their frothing at the mouth over the CIA black sites hubbub.

IDIOT !
 

congratulations fucknut you are the first conservative moron loser to use the dhimmitude adage here

please explain you fucking shit for brains
if you even have a clue


just rabbiting some term you picked up on greenfootballs or hotair ..

go crawl back into your hole

mindless fools..ffs
and go piss and moan on some conservative forum
where the brainwashed idiots can give you accolades for your clever sarcasam.

the US needs people in power now that can fix this mess the neocons started ,that can see the light at the end of the tunnel and are not blinded by the obvious deceptions of the republicans and their masters (and their midless drones)

Multi, this is span/czar/hegemonic... you are argueing with, don't bother LOL!

:W:

I know arguing sweet tits, and that ain't it. That's frothing-at-the-mouth moonbattery.

Multi, take some anti-batshitinsane pills before you pop a vein.

YAY!!!
Keep it up and i'll soon be at another span roasting lol! Your gross referring to female anatomy got you in the last mess where...

You keep coming on this board "reformed" but deep down inside, you are the same twat as you were once back on the nappy board, It's not because you have a down the hill blog that it makes you special cause if it's the case, sign up now for special olympics lol.

It is a rule of this board, if you comeback with a new username, you have to post back the previous ones you had in your new profile, board policy, you failed big time.

Update now you coward or does this board policy doesn't apply to you according to your views?

Are you so damned "Special?"

I was aware of who it was from knifes post ,Dorothy :D

'moonbat' is an other sound of a squawing parrot..

an other brainwashed idiot trying to act smart.. go fsck yourself span

I was thinking that.
Same sort of style.
But we all love Albed.
He's a bit like the da------
No I'm not going down that path the boggy man might get me. :scared: :scared: