The Big Bail OUt
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- thats $2,333 for every man, woman, and child in this country, to bail out Wall Street. Here's the best part: Quote:
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Aye, welcome to the United Socialist States of America: brought to you by the Republican Party and paid for by the Communists in China.
Good job Republicans. You have done what you have claimed and warned that the Democrats were trying to do and all you had to do to make it happen was to push your 'free market' ideals and deregulate the markets and the banks. Why not tell the companies to go get fucked and the US government underwrite the mortgages, those which are not a business venture, at the true value of the property and at correct rates? And while you're at it, tell Wall Street that the fundamentals of the economy are strong. Tell them that they are simply going through a mental recession. And tell them to stop whining. Ð :S: |
This is the best analysis of the problem I have seen so far. Anyone with brains should read this and try to understand what the 'conservatives' have done to cause the problems we are facing today. They should also realize that this isn't true 'conservatism' at all, but what conservatism has become:
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And all McCain can do is all he can ever do: blame anyone but himself. Ð :S: |
U actually expect me to read that?
It just goes on and on and seems the same whacked out stuff. :ghug: Get U're shit together u Irish dillweed. |
i'm not a big Pelosi fan, but her response on behalf of the Dems was spot on:
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It's a sad day when people choose to turn away from the facts of our past which are shaping the events happening around us and which determine our future. Ð :S: |
Hey Diego (with a -),
What has just happened is a way to deliver all those people who bought a house without the means to pay for it a way to keep it. Call it like it is. It's just another entitlement program to be paid for by the ones who were not so lazy. Maybe it is the time to be bare foot and preggers..... :EB: |
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Question,who wants to take nic from behind? I thinks he might be a heshe:to3: ---------------- Listening to: Morrissey - Why Don't you Find Out For you via FoxyTunes |
Well knife...
The 1.8 tril they have gave away so far is = to $6,000. Was it not a slap in the face to receive a $600 check earlier this year? and yes Diego it is now the USSA owned by China and Japan. They are making it into economic warfare, China vs. America. The powers that be will have us at war with each other within' 5 years. It is not just republicans either. Clinton and all the way back to Nixon sold us to China years and years ago. Crooks and Liars. :sarc: I for one welcome our new asian overlords and will be useful in rounding up others to toil in the coal mines. :sarc: |
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this just in...
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kos makes an excellent point:
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Oh, oh! I know! I know!
It's ALIENS! :BL: Ð :S: |
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methinks it's bleedin' heart losers out to save the world at others expense. So what else is new? |
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God forbid the taxpayers actually pay to help hard working American citizens save themselves from forclosure and losing their homes that they work 60+ hours a week to pay the mortgages on. That shit is just un-fukin-American. |
If U live in America and don't have a Gov'mt job and are self employed you will, like I did work over 12 hours a day, 6 days a week. Sunday it was a lite 4 hours looking over things that might go wrong AND being there for any employee that wanted to talk ( this was the time for them).
Ever hear of a govm't agency that did the same? U never will because they just don't give a shit about who they serve. |
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that's basically the conversation the country's having right now. the days when bush could come out of a religous trance and lay down a scary sermon the entire country swallows are over. finally. i'm sure you know lots of natavist republicans, so go ahead and ask them, they're who's blocking this bill. conservative republicans say folks back home are against paulson's proposal by a ratio of 100-1. they want a "free market" solution, not a bailout that leaves the country on the hook for hundreds of billions in loans. but free market fingers are all over this disaster so i don't know how that's going to work. meanwhile 200 economists who actually study this stuff say the bill won't work, period, and several who were in favor of it said today things are changing so fast even if this program is passed today it will be obsolete before it begins. sure, warren buffet's a chearleader but who really is behind this, and why, and where is the evidence it will do what they say? don't blame the liberals. i'm one and i'm against it. it's a wall street/washington ripoff unless someone proves otherwise, and i don't see that happening. - js. |
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As for conservatives "blocking this bill", that is a load of usual JS crap. The lib controlled congress has made damn sure for last 4 years that GW has been unable to pass anything more than a kidney stone. I love the way you assume that because you post it it's true. Your head is permantly lodged in that liberal ass of yours. You are just one of millions that feels the government should give you something for free because someone else has more because they worked damn hard for it, while you jacked off to internet porn and did NOTHING. Even if that racist Obama gets elected, and he does NOTHING he promised, you whiny fukin libs will just find a way to BLAME somebody else for your usual ignorance. |
you're still as nutty as always jc. :D
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A Freddie Mac Money Trail Catches Up With McCain
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Few advisers in John McCain's inner circle inspire more loyalty from him than campaign manager Rick Davis. McCain and his wife, Cindy, credit the shrewd, and sometimes volatile, Republican insider with rescuing the campaign last year when it was out of money and on the verge of collapse. As a result, McCain has always defended him—even when faced with tough questions about the foreign lobbying clients of Davis's high-powered consulting firm. "Rick is a friend, and I trust him," McCain told NEWSWEEK last year.
Last week, though, McCain's trust in Davis was tested again amid disclosures that Freddie Mac, the troubled mortgage giant that was recently placed under federal conservatorship, paid his campaign manager's firm $15,000 a month between 2006 and August 2008. As the mortgage crisis has escalated, almost any association with Freddie Mac or Fannie Mae has become politically toxic. But the payments to Davis's firm, Davis Manafort, are especially problematic because he requested the consulting retainer in 2006—and then did barely any work for the fees, according to two sources familiar with the arrangement who asked not to be identified discussing Freddie Mac business. Aside from attending a few breakfasts and a political-action-committee meeting with Democratic strategist Paul Begala (another Freddie consultant), Davis did "zero" for the housing firm, one of the sources said. Freddie Mac also had no dealings with the lobbying firm beyond paying monthly invoices—but it agreed to the arrangement because of Davis's close relationship with McCain, the source said, which led top executives to conclude "you couldn't say no." The McCain campaign told reporters the fees were irrelevant because Davis "separated from his consulting firm … in 2006," according to the campaign's Web site, and he stopped drawing a salary from it. In fact, however, when Davis joined the campaign in January 2007, he asked that his $20,000-a-month salary be paid directly to Davis Manafort, two sources who asked not to be identified discussing internal campaign business told NEWSWEEK. Federal campaign records show the McCain campaign paid Davis Manafort $90,000 through July 2007, when a cash crunch prompted Davis and other top campaign officials to forgo their salaries and work as volunteers. Separately, another entity created and partly owned by Davis—an Internet firm called 3eDC, whose address was the same office building as Davis Manafort's—received payments from the McCain campaign for Web services, collecting $971,860 through March 2008. In an e-mail to NEWSWEEK, a senior McCain official said that when the campaign began last year, it signed a contract with Davis Manafort "in which we purchased all of [Davis's] time, and he agreed not to work for any other clients." The official also said that though Davis was an "investor" in 3eDC, Davis has received no salary from it. As to why Davis permitted the Freddie Mac payments to continue, the official referred NEWSWEEK to Davis Manafort, which did not respond to repeated phone calls. One senior McCain adviser said the entire flap could have been avoided if the campaign had resisted attacking Barack Obama for his ties to two former Fannie Mae executives, which prompted the media to take a second look at Davis. "It was stupid," the adviser said. "A serious miscalculation and an amateurish move." Still, this adviser said, McCain's faith in his campaign manager remains unswerving. http://www.newsweek.com/id/161218 |
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Does that mean he or her's a heshe nic? http://www.littledebbie.com/products/NuttyBars.asp :AP: :AP: :AP: :AP: |
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Even if that racist Obama gets elected, and he does NOTHING he promised, you whiny fukin libs will just find a way to BLAME somebody else for your usual ignorance. This is so true. Mr Obama (aka peepee head) will get elected. Then......... turn about will be fair play and I can't wait. :EB: |
So how did we get here?
New York Times Article Sept 30 1999. The Headline...Fannie Mae Eases Credit To Aid Mortgage Lending In a move that could help increase home ownership rates among minorities and low-income consumers, the Fannie Mae Corporation is easing the credit requirements on loans that it will purchase from banks and other lenders. The action, which will begin as a pilot program involving 24 banks in 15 markets -- including the New York metropolitan region -- will encourage those banks to extend home mortgages to individuals whose credit is generally not good enough to qualify for conventional loans. Fannie Mae officials say they hope to make it a nationwide program by next spring. Fannie Mae, the nation's biggest underwriter of home mortgages, has been under increasing pressure from the Clinton Administration to expand mortgage loans among low and moderate income people and felt pressure from stock holders to maintain its phenomenal growth in profits. cont http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpag...=&pagewanted=1 What I find funny is the fact the liberal media, aka NYT, wrote this praising Clintons efforts. Is the Bush admin as guilty, most likely but to put all the blame on the Bush admin is plain dumb. |
excellent post. too bad diego(with a _) is busy making babies..
I'm sure the waster would reply. |
come on guys i know you are smarter than this
there is no difference between dems and reps they all take orders from the lobbying corporational military industrial complex = MONEY!! they look out for themselves and leave some cake for us to feel special :) they are detached from our reality. The bailout is Authoritarian Dictatorship. The FED gives out billions left and right, why do they need a law you ask? It would give Paulson supreme command. No oversight. No reprecussions. No Law!! |
You libs should be quite happy.
McCain just threw any chance he had at winning this election away by voting for this useless and earmark filled piece of shit legislation. |
Oh, he threw it away long before that. And several times since.
Not a bad thing. Not a bad thing at all.. Ð :S: |
from Atrios:
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relaxing standards appropriately for buyers, or to get renters off of the rental hamster wheel and into equity positions isn't bad policy. on the contrary it makes sense for any number of reasons and it's the basis of us ownership society tax policy since at least wwii. the breakdown came from predatory lenders (not fannie/freddie) who lowered standards to get owners to refinance with balloon mortages that couldn't possibly be repaid when the introductory payments reverted to sky high levels. like payday loans this was actually a plan. the lenders would take possesion at default for peanuts, sell and profit. it worked, as long as defaults in any one area were below levels that affected general pricing. this was not a clinton policy, it was old time private enterpise predation that occured in the post clinton years on a massive scale while regulators slept.
i have a simple test for housing bubbles: when you hear bartenders are bragging about "flipping condos" take cover. the bragging was deafening in the lates eighties and mid 00's. - js. |
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funny you should mention bartenders..
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Who put a gun to these peoples heads????????? Who FORCED these idiots to buy houses well beyond their financial means and then FORCED them to sign on the dotted line to finance them with ridiculous variable rate, interest only and balloon mortgages? EVERY FUKIN ONE of these idiots knew what they were buying was too expensive and KNEW that 5 years down the road when they actually had to start paying off the principal that they WOULD NOT be able to afford monthly payments that would double or even triple when they were barely able to pay just the interest to begin with. So they lowered the standards, so fukin what. How is this anyones fault but the BUYERS??????? There are millions of people out there just like myself that refinanced or purchased a house when these morons did and were offered the same shit loans BUT said screw that. This is how much I can AFFORD to pay every month and I want a nice regular FIXED rate mortgage on a house that falls within this amount so that from day one I know I can make the payment each month as well as 15, 20, 30 years down the road my payments will still be the same. I am so sick of you bleeding heart liberals constantly BLAMING EVERYONE but the people that willingly and full knowingly put themselves on the road to oblivion when they signed on the dotted line and PROMISED to pay the these loans when they knew they could not. When are you idiots going to admit that just because the banks offered these loans NO ONE forced ANYONE to utilize them and perfectly good, valid affordable mortgage options were available to each and every one of them, but they CHOSE, yes they made a CHOICE, good or bad to ignore them and buy the 10 dollar Rolex out of some guys trunk instead. |
Yes, yes..and let's see, who is it calling for the government to dole out another $300 billion to refinance those mortgages? Some 'bleeding heart liberal' no doubt....
Ah, there it is and true to form, it's John McCain. Fucking liberal bast..erm, wait a minute! WTF?!? Why that pandering son of a bitch! :BL: Ð :S: |
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BUT. I can guarantee that the dick-eared pinhead Obama will never pull off any of the free chit he is proposing. Free health care as good as member of congress gets. Hahahahaha.... yea right. Another expensive "bonus" for every citizen. What good did the last one do? And who will pay for it? Free college for everyone, no matter how stupid or lazy they are. Sure thing Bubba... Lower taxes for 95% of us. (the biggest lie of all). It is just the same old crap from a politician who is 'owned' by the Daley Chicago machine. :bcow: :bow: Many promises, zero follow thru. |
You've GOT to stop fucking that cow, Nic :BL:
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What a fart smeller he is.. Ð :S: |
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You can get full for awhile or get milk forever. Take U're pick peeps.... |
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The Bet That Blew Up Wall Street |
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All I can say is.
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QUOTE; Even if that racist Obama gets elected, and he does NOTHING he promised, you whiny fukin libs will just find a way to BLAME somebody else for your usual ignorance.
Obamawama might not be a total tried&true racist (like his wife is), but JC nailed the rest about losers blaming everybody else for their problems. |
Not all of my problems were created by me. I will blame the proper people who created the problems.
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yes, and I wish I had a ton of pot too.
The liquor industry always does well in times of trouble. The best investment I ever made was buying 3 pallets of R12 freon. Paid $.29 a pound and ended up selling it for (well) over $30.00 a lb. It is not that I'm all that smart. All I did was read the newspapers. :bc: :bc: :bc: :bc: :bc: |
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