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Calling me a God Lover –I don’t believe in God, after-life, or any of that bull shit. The Church is a Business, and a good one, I just don’t buy their product. |
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Come to think of it, in the last US election 40% of voters didn't participate, but you could just call that a sham the way you call anything whatever you want without any regard to the truth. |
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Quit being so fearful, change your underwear and enter real life. I can only hope that Iraq ends better than I can anticipate. I have difficulty believing this is the iraq bush and co expected to have by 05. http://icasualties.org/oif/default.aspx The price of me being right is more than I want others to bear. It may be easy for you to rationalize the loss of young americans in war, but your platitudes will provide no comfort for mothers, wives, husbands, dads and their children. Supporting the military isnt waving a flag like a fucktard with a gomer pyle look on your face. Its expecting them to be used when needed, not in such a cavalier manner. In a decade we wont be having this discussion, the reality of the situation will bear out the truth. However, both of you are invited to my place to watch the "A&E Blunders in American History W Bush, volume 1-5" box set when it comes out! I will provide the beer and the weed. |
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Yeah I got that one right along with the one that told me of the US's well planned exit strategy. It also included information on where hoffa is buried, Who really shot JFK, What happened to Ameilia Earhart, and what happens to the relatives of nazi collaborators in this country. Oh wait we already know, nazi collaborators sons becomes president, and sometimes their grandson too!!!!!!!!! The bush family has made a tradition of selling the us out for personal interest. |
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There is a War going on in Iraq but it is not the War being reported on CNN. ---The government understands that they will prevail, but are uncertain about how many more people will die from terrorist attacks before Baath and al Qaeda are crushed. The terrorists have allies in the foreign media, who label the terrorists as nationalistic insurgents. The media portrays the terrorists as having some kind of chance of taking over. But with 80 percent of the population (the Kurds and Shia Arabs) dead set against Baath and al Qaeda (for many reasons), and the Sunni Arabs resisting the terror as well, it's difficult to see how anyone with a sense of history, or a knowledge of basic math, can fall for that. The battle against the Iraqi terror is not being reported accurately. One reason is that the American military cannot release information then have about the enemy, as that would let the terrorists know what is known about them. This is a war of information. The terrorists depend on secrecy for protection. They must remain invisible to survive. But bit by bit, the Baath Party and al Qaeda organization has been revealed. And as it is, raids go in and take it apart. Towns and neighborhoods are cleared of terrorists and staffed with police and army bases.--- Quote:
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Please provide a link to the fact Cheney said that - I believe you are trying to re-write history again knife. If you would like I can provide you with a couple dozen links which show the Iraqis dancing in the streets when the US Military rolled into Bagdad. Remember the Statue of Saddam being torn down? They were having a little party, guess you would rather ignore that fact. Hell Facts are not your thing anyway. |
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This must be the weed talking.....keep the peace pipe away from the computer. |
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To say that Sunnis "do not want democracy" is just so much BushSpeak, akin to calling them "freedom-hating." I'm not trying to 'defend' the Sunnis, but this kind of gross simplification just isn't realistic. I'm not one of those people believe that 'Arabs cannot be ruled as a democracy,' but 'ruled as democracy' is an interesting phrase too, and needs to be examined. American's don't think of themselves as 'ruled by democracy' but as participants in democracy, but then we don't have an outside military presence bearing down us that we can accuse of favoring one group or causing one group to dissent altogether. I dare say we'd find that most problematic. There seems to be many different reasons that a significant number of Iraqis across the board do find it problematic--and they do not seem to be based on a hate or fear of true democracy at all, but rather stem from a suspicion of being manipulated on one hand and a fear for their very lives on the other. People of all affiliations are afraid to even be seen registering to vote while officials seen as compliant with American interests are being assassinated. There are rumors of up to a million Iranian Shiites pouring in to tip the election, and a pretty pervasive feeling that the election of Sistani or other favored Shiites is a foregone conclusion anyway, and will be taken as tantamount to the installation of a puppet, giving many all the more reason to fight on and fight that much harder. Of course the Sunnis are playing that hand, even claiming voting in such an election is a sin, but their boycotts will undermine any pretense of a truly democratic process. This is an outright clash of theocracies neither of which truly fit into our democratic molds from the outset. Quote:
Unfortunately Bush is still insisting "We have a vital interest in the success of a free Iraq. You see, free societies do not export terror." In my opinion this is, A: a blatant fallacy and extremely misleading, and B: the exact wrong context in which to frame our involvement, the wrong reason for us to be there. To say we have a vital interest in the success of a free Iraq is only underlining that we will define that success and the parameters of that freedom in our terms, from our point of view and according to our best interests. That message is not doing shit for global security issues, and it's not doing shit for any of the people or parties of Iraq. Of course many will profit from the collective mood for staying long term, but they aren't the Iraqis who want to be free, and they aren't the average American believing they are investing in their own security. |
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I left a link in my post - My thoughts are along the same line as Mr. Dunnigan. Edit - oops no link in above post, my bad........ |
"We don't want the 'smoking gun' to be a mushroom cloud."
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Nationalities of the 911 hijackers: 12 Saudis, 1 Egyptian, 1 United Arab Emirates, 1 Lebanese (who lived in Germany), and 4 Unknown nationalities.
Of course a huge effort has gone into you forgetting that. You might quibble that Saudis and Egyptians are "not free," but your president seems rather irrationally unconcerned about that, and if you think Iraq will ever resemble anything more free than them, you're even more gullible than you seem. |
Great answer Ramona!
This tells me that, A: you don't let the facts interfere with your opinions, and B: while you always insist it's being done wrong you can't think of a better way of doing it. |
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Israel? Dont fit my definition of free, but may qualify in your world view. |
cakewalk
n 1: a strutting dance based on a march; was performed in minstrel shows; originated as a competition among Black dancers to win a cake 2: an easy accomplishment; "winning the tournament was a cakewalk for him"; "invading Iraq won't be a cakewalk" v : perform the cakewalk dance |
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