just like the rest of the country - now i know how you must feel:W:

NO
 

I have lived in the produce bowl on the central coast of CA all my life.

Workers are needed. When I was 15 I got a good summer job hoeing weeds. It wasn't that hard of work and help me get used to the idea that WORK=MONEY.

Today there are no high paying zero skill jobs for english only speaking kids or anybody unless they speak spanish. It is normal for a illegal to take home $550/week or more for piece work.

It used to be that the workers went back to where they came from in the winter. Now they bring in their families, collect government entitlements (welfare), and stay all year long.

You will never see a black person laboring in the fields as they are not allowed to even apply

White peeps have the same problem.

Well there's the problem - You're basing your opinion on direct experience and your own thinking while people like theknife use liberal propaganda and brainless acceptance to form theirs. Much easier that way.


People shouldn't have to think for themselves after all; it only leads to conflict between knowledgeable and ignorant people, and we all know that both their opinions are equally valid; :ND: like their votes.

hooray for liberal propaganda and brainless acceptance of Bush's amnesty program ! :bc: :bdance: :PE:

I don't mind the workers. It's the familys and gang bangers that are now allowed that are fucking up my town.

AMNESTY BILL DETAILS:


Security doesn’t come first in this bill. This bill would immediately legalize illegal aliens who get into the U.S. reguardless of border security.

Illegal aliens won’t have to pay back taxes. (This may have been changed)

If passed, this bill will make taxpayers pay the legal bills for illegal aliens seeking amnesty. Tucked away on page 317 is a provision that would allow lawyers in the federally-funded legal services program to represent illegal aliens, which they are presently barred from doing.

This bill rewards illegal aliens for breaking our laws. There are tens of millions of people who respect our laws and our country, waiting patiently to get a chance to permantly live here.

The bill gives the government only one business day to conduct a background check to determine whether a “Z Visa” applicant is a criminal or a terrorist. It is impossible, of course, to determine in a single day whether someone is a terrorist or a criminal.

In the bill Section 601(g)(2), illegal-alien gang members would be eligible for amnesty merely by signing a renunciation of gang affiliation.�

Gang-bangers and other criminals who have been ordered to leave the U.S. can be granted a Z visa anyway if he can show that being forced to leave the United States would result in extreme hardship to the alien, his spouse, parent or child.

The bill effectively shuts down our immigration-court system. If an alien in the removal process is eligible for the Z visa, the immigration judge must close the proceedings and offer the alien the chance to apply for the amnesty.

If ICE officials apprehend an alien who appears eligible for the Z visa (just about every illegal alien), they can't detain him. Instead, ICE must help him apply for the Z visa.

To qualify for the Z-visa amnesty, an illegal alien need only have a job (or be the parent, spouse, or child of someone with a job) and come up with a scrap of paper suggesting he was in the country before Jan. 1 2007. Any bank statement, pay stub, or similarly forgeable record will do.

Expect a mass influx unlike anything this country has seen before, once the 12-month period for accepting Z visa applications begins. These rules are an open invitation to sneak in and present a fraudulent piece of paper indicating that you were already here.

Supporters of the bill call the Z visa temporary� - neglecting to mention that it can be renewed indefinitely until the visa holder dies.

Are you a law-abiding resident alien who's interested in switching to privileged Z visa status? Sorry. Only illegal aliens can qualify.

The bill increases legal migration by at least 50 percent over the next decade by granting green cards to all the remote relatives who are in the chain migration categories, a number estimated at 750,000 to 900,000 a year. That is triple the current number of 250,000. Giving green cards to millions of additional relatives ensures that legal immigration will continue to grow as this larger pool of permanent residents brings in spouses.

The costs of the Senate immigration bill are mind-boggling. Unbelievably, the Senate has made no attempt to estimate this costs or how to pay them. The Heritage Foundation’s Robert Rector puts a potential price tag on this bill of $2.5 trillion.

At least 60 percent of illegal immigrants lack a high school diploma, which means they will work low-wage jobs, pay little or no income tax, and be heavy users of our schools and means-tested social benefits such as Medicaid, school lunches, Women, Infants and Children Program, subsidized housing, the Earned Income Tax Credit, and free legal counsel.

Fiscal costs would go up dramatically after amnesty recipients reach retirement. Each elderly low-skill immigrant imposes a net cost - that is benefits minus taxes - on U.S. taxpayers of about $17,000 per year, according to the Heritage Foundation. These costs would hit Social Security and Medicare at the very time Social Security is expected to go into crisis.

Section 413 calls on Congress to “accelerate the implementation” of the Security and Prosperity Partnership - announced by Bush in Waco, Texas, in 2005 - so that the United States can “improve the standard of living in Mexico.” Do U.S. taxpayers want to take on the economic burden of solving poverty problems in Mexico?

The Senate immigration bill states that the United States wants “to reduce the transaction costs of remittance flows” from the U.S. to Mexico now running at $23 billion a year. Making it cheaper to transfer money made in the U.S. out of our economy.

The Senate bill also puts the United States into a “partnership” with Mexico for “increasing health care access for poor and under-served populations in Mexico,” for “assisting Mexico in increasing its emergency and trauma health care facilities,” and for “expanding prenatal care” in the border region. Do U.S. taxpayers also want to pay for health care in Mexico?

Illegal Alien students will receive instate tuition; a taxpayer subsidy worth tens of thousands of dollars and would be treated better than U.S. citizens from out of state, who must pay three to four times as much to attend college.

Health standards ignored. Z-Visa holders are not required to be given medical examinations and immunizations. Legal immigrant residents are required to be given a medical examination and immunization. The health and safety issues are one and the same. Tuberculosis anyone?

There are no serious assimilation components to the legislation.� Despite McCain-Kennedy's "comprehensive" scope. "Assimilation"� appears only once in this legislation, and not until the 343rd of 347 pages. "Americanization"� never emerges.

The amnestee doesn't have to know squat in English to get a Z visa. After four years when seeking to renew the Z visa the first time, he only has to take — not pass, just take — the naturalization language test or be on a waiting list for English classes. "Learn English"� only happens after eight years, and then it's not actual mastery of the language.

As stated above “The bill increases legal migration by at least 50 percent over the next decade….”. Yet, when asked in a Gallup poll what level of immigration do Americans want, overwhelmingly they say less (46%) or same (34%). While only 16% want more. The US Census Bureau in 1999 projected The USA’s population will double in less then 100 years from 300 million to 600 million. The majority of that increase will be from legal immigration, illegal immigration, plus both their descendants. This is completely against what the American people want.

If Amnesty passes, 12-20 million illegal aliens would be immediately granted probationary legal status. Processing these individuals would be the responsibility of the U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services (USCIS). Estimates are, if amnesty is given to just 12 million illegal aliens within the year allowed for applications, that would mean an average of 48,000 amnesty applications each day for USCIS's 3,000 adjudicators. Add an additional 200,000 guest workers applications to the mix. That would be in addition to the 6.3 million (2005) legal applications and the backlog of several million unresolved applications the USCIS has responsibility over.

The Senate's proposal would vastly expand USCIS's workload but do little to ensure that the agency is capable of handling the task.

http://www.immigrationwatchdog.com/?...ion=share-this

hooray for liberal propaganda and brainless acceptance of Bush's amnesty program ! :bc: :bdance: :PE:

Yeah we get it knife; you're a brainless parrot squawking the same things over and over.


While the present generation of american voters may seem like gullible, easily manipulated imbeciles, the addition of millions of completely uneducated foreigners will really drop the slimy bottom out of american politics.

I must be missing something about U're post TK.

I don't get it.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/s...oryId=10855800
The Senate immigration bill is dead and Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-NV) pulled it from the floor.I guess republicans are quicker to get a clue.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/washing...igration_N.htm


Now if they can only be compelled to enforce U.S. immigration laws they can bring the situation under control.

:tu:

your quotee's problem is welfare reform and xenophobia...immigration is always disturbing to the master race.

He or she could be a martian-american for all I know and he doesn't seem afraid, he simply makes some very sound points about illegal immigration. I don't suppose you'd care to counter them?-ha-ha-ha-ha-I kill myself! "Master race" is a standard liberal parrot squawk.


Where's the hitler smilie?

well, you got me there - used the same expression twice in six years :scared:

actually, your guy doesn't make one single point about illegal immigration - he makes a lot of noise about welfare...and people for whom English is a second language. he likes to lump them all together as illegals, which is not at all true - this i know, because i live with one :hflag:

silly peeps.........

cabbage us good.

You should know you're not the only liberal propaganda parrot using the "master race" squawk. I'm sure you've heard it more times than you've squawked it.




If you want to play stupid then "illegals" is short for "illegal immigrants" and "doesn't speak English" doesn't mean "English is a second language" it means doesn't-speak-English comprende? Your claim that someone isn't saying what they're plainly saying is about as pathetic a response as I've seen from one of you slimy liberals and anyone who's followed media reports and studies of illegal immigration has seen exactly the points my quotee made. Your refusal to even attempt to contradict them would have marked you as a standard 'head-up-the-ass' liberal but claiming the quotee didn't even say what he said promotes you to laughing stock extraordinaire.

Your claim that since you live with an illegal you know about all of them is of course the usual expected idiocy.

you missed it completely - i live with someone who is not a citizen but is perfectly legal - and for whom English is a second language. try to pay attention :kiss:

I paid attention in grammar class and aside from your desire to keep your boogers off your shift keys, your sentence construction clearly indicates that you live with an "illegal". Maybe your live-in, english as a second language, someone can teach you the proper use of the language.And if your countering the criticism of illegal immigrants who don't speak english by pointing to a legal immigrant who does, you're the one who "missed it".

Oh shit,I think you're right about something again.
This is starting to become a habit.
Are you sure your feeling well?

You don't have to tell me I'm right, that's obvious; you have to tell theknife he's wrong. He just can't grasp that fact.

You tell him.
He's bigger than me.

It's just his head that makes him look big.

I knew it wasn't his hair.:BL:

:W: i'm w/u

and i'm down with that amnesty thing too:bc:

2 many ams.......:KA:

My mom passed this along to me. I don't know who wrote it.

confused
 

so u feel ok w/other people taking over yr country and home?

lot's of bitching and silly analogys in this thread - any solutions?

ok, here's mine:

1) seal the borders, north and south (as we should have done on 9/11 or before). use 150,000 troops or so from, oh, i don't know - iraq, or some other place where they are currently misdeployed.

2) after the borders are sealed, anybody that's in gets to stay. period. if you made it, you lucked out, you're in, but you're gonna be the last wave.

3) after the general amnesty, officers, owners, managers, and board members of companys caught employing illegals are absolutely criminally liable. period.

4) the minor children of amnesty recipients are eligible for free education and healthcare, the adults are not. the adults made the decisions to come for menial jobs and that's what they get. their kids get to grow up educated and healthy and go on to become the next generation's good citizens, as has been the case with every generation of immigrants before them.

let the flames begin:W:

We could just skip the analogies and go straight to the facts:

Illegal aliens are depressing wages.

Illegal aliens are burdening the welfare system.

Illegal aliens are burdening certain school systems.

Illegal aliens are burdening the justice system. (One murdered two americans in my area.)

Illegal aliens are burdening hospitals in certain areas.

Illegal aliens are degrading quality of life in many communities.



Solution: eliminate the factors that motivate them to come and stay illegally in the U.S.; unlawful employment opportunities, various welfare benefits, automatic citizenship for children born here that give them a legal claim to stay and scumbag politicians that subvert the laws of the United States for their own political gain.

No flames knife, you're on the right track but you're missing the point.

Citizen immigrants are the primary source of American patriotism because they are Americans by choice and they pass that enthusiasm on to their children. The problem isn't that people are sneaking into America, it's the attitude they're bringing with them. Illegal immigrants don't come here for citizenship, they don't necessarily want to be put on a path towards citizenship and giving them amnesty does nothing to make them want to assimilate. All they really want is to be able to stay here where the money is, so to them amnesty is just a form of political asylum or sanctuary. I have a big problem with that attitude and so do most Americans.

Illegals represent a threat to our sovereignty on a fundamental level. We're a nation of laws and we're united because we abide by those laws. Our law states that only citizens can stay here permanently and only citizens can vote, and illegals seek to break both those laws. If we allow that then are we still a nation of laws? No, not really. We're importing a new kind of racism, we're giving rise to a group of people to whom citizenship means nothing and yet they feel entitled to all the benefits citizenship grants. They call themselves La Raza, they feel they transcend all borders, and when they run afoul of the law they head down south where law enforcement can't reach them. They have about as much respect for our sovereignty as drug smugglers and terrorist groups.

So here's my take on your plan: Seal the borders? Absolutely. Anybody who is already here gets to stay? Change that to "anybody who is already here must stay" and I'd agree; the border should be sealed in both directions to prevent fugitives from escaping. Prosecute employers of illegal immigrants? Yes. Free health care and education for minor children of illegals? Only if they are taught in English (absolutely no bilingual classes) and they learn all about American history; just because they didn't choose to come here doesn't mean they shouldn't have to assimilate into our culture. These four things are inadequate though. Like albed says we need to remove the incentives for illegal immigration.

Here is a funny little e-mail I got a few years ago. It was done in jest, but also makes some good points.

~~~~~~~~~~~~
I love America

I come for visit, get treated regal,
So I stay, who care I illegal?
I cross border, poor and broke,
Take bus, see employment folk.

Nice man treat me good in there,
Say I need to see welfare.
Welfare say "you come no more,
We send cash right to your door."

Welfare checks, they make you wealthy,
Medical, it keep you healthy!
By and by, I got plenty money,
Thanks to you---American dummy.

Write to friends in motherland,
Tell them come as fast as you can.
They come in rags and Chevy trucks,
I buy big house with welfare bucks.

They come, we live together,
More welfare cash, it gets better!
Fourteen families now move in,
But neighbors patience growing thin.

Finally, white guy moves away,
Now I buy his house and then I say.
Find more aliens for house to rent,
And in the yard I put a tent.

Send for family (they just trash),
But they too draw welfare cash!
Everything is mucho good,
Soon we own the neighborhood.

We have hobby---its called breeding,
Welfare pay for baby feeding.
Kids need dentist? Wife needs pills?
We get free! We got no bills!

America is crazy, he pay all year
To keep welfare running here.
We think America damn good place!
Too damn good for the white-man race.

If they no like us, they can go,
Got lots of room in Cuba, Haiti & Mexico

"Boy, I love America."

~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Seriously this is what I think....

One point that upsets me is the fact that these illegal aliens are just that. Illegal. If I (or any reasonable person in my opinion) wished to immigrate to another country, I could guarantee that my first act when coming to the new country would not be to break the law. It seems to me like everyone is just talking about letting them off. OK, I agree that the laws need to be changed. But it is still the law.

I kinda like the guest worker visa idea. Maybe we could set up special border crossing points and have people there giving half hour orientations called "Welcome to the USA, land of opportunity.(if you are among the wealthy 5%)
Seriously, just give 'em a quick "Hi, how are ya? I'm Vern, who are you? Staying long?" Give them a guest worker visa and let 'em have at it. At least then they aren't here illegally. Have the visa be for X number of years and then the gotta apply for citizenship if they wanna stay.

They are gonna keep coming. We need to adjust our current laws so it is more like we are welcoming them and trying to help them intigrate rather than criminalise them. Those of the illegal ones that are already here should have to pay some small fine for breaking the law and then we can help them get back in good standing.

My conspiracy theory is that eventually our domestic and multi national corporations will keep sending jobs to Mexico and Latin America and Asia because us lazy overpaid USA workers want too much and eventaully all the jobs will be in other countries and our government will become a military dictatorship and we will be crossing the borders trying to find a better life for our families. I just hope they treat us better than we have treated immigrants throughout the history of the USA.
I don't differentiate a human by the place they were born. They all have equal value in my eyes. Living in this new global world I don't believe borders mean that much and we should treat people from other countries as we would people living in our own.

See, I think it should be just the opposite. For those immigrants who want to come here legally and contribute to society, America should be open and welcoming. But for those who don't care to do things our way, they should be made to feel like they're breaking into prison when they hop the border, they ought to feel stupid for even trying. Legal immigration should be so appealing and illegal immigration so unappealing that nobody would even think about breaking our immigration laws.

Thats what I'm talking about in that quote. Making it so easy and appealing to be a legal immigrant. Sure, illegals need to pay a price for their crime. But it needs to be reasonable. The punishment needs to fit the crime, and if the laws are made so that it would be easier to come here and be a citizen and pay the same and serve the same as everyone else, then why would anyone want to be here illegally. Help them learn english and help intigrate them into useful productive citizens.
I don't know. If I had the perfect answer, maybe I would be head of Homeland Security. I'm just not usually for taking the hard line with people. Wanna be friends with everyone.

stop the illegal wave and the rest will sort it self out. American culture is robust and elastic and will absorb those who are already here. bilingual services are no threat to my culture, nor are legal non-citizen residents any threat to sovereignty - the US admits between 600,000 and 1,000,000 of them every year. they pay taxes, they work, they come, they go, some become citizens, some do not - so what?

the La Raza thing is a nice touch of hysteria, btw - represents, at best, a infinitesimal percentage of the Latin community...about as much a threat as, say, La Cosa Nostra or the Asian Tongs.

You're inferring things I never implied, knife. Resident aliens are just fine with me as long as they remain in good standing with the law. They aren't the subject of dispute right now; nobody is suggesting we change the status of current visa and green card holders. I have been careful to keep my comments focused on illegal aliens only, so please stop trying to change the subject.

So you're comparing the concept of La Raza to criminal organizations? It's a cultural mindset, not a group of people. Unlike other strains of multiculturalism this one has no respect for our borders nor our electoral process, and now it's beginning to take form as a political movement. If, by allowing foreign nationals to stay here illegally, we allow foreign interests to influence our government then, yes, it is a threat to our sovereignty.

To theknife you're actually not making a single point about illegal immigration - you're making a lot of noise about welfare and people for whom English is a second language and legal immigrants.


It's a mark on how determined some people are to cling to their beliefs that they refuse to even acknowledge any facts that might counter them no matter how obvious they are.

you're just not paying attention, but i'll try once more - stop the wave of illegals by sealing the borders. the country will absorb the ones who are here, into the economy (immediately), and the culture (ultimately). in the end, thier grandkids will look like yours, only thier's will probably be a lot nicer.

But why should we stop the wave of illegals? You're not suggesting they're bad for the country are you? And if they are why shouldn't we send them back?

And not one who says they are women has said anything nice about Men.
 

Freekin' creeps that can't be bothered.



HAPPY DAD Day

The illegal immigrant amnesty bill had a comical last gasp as it regained the senate floor and got shitcanned again in short order.


Meanwhile theknife's brain also comically shits itself by thinking illegal immigrants are good for the U.S. but wanting them stopped from entering anyway.


Drugs are bad, 'mkay. Too late for that pearl now.

Border barrier accidentally crosses border

COLUMBUS, N.M. — The 1.5-mile barrier along the U.S.-Mexico border was designed to keep cars from illegally crossing into the United States. There's just one problem: It was accidentally built on Mexican soil.

Embarrassed border officials say the mistake could cost the federal government more than $3 million to fix.

The barrier was part of more than 15 miles of border fence built in 2000, stretching from the town of Columbus to an onion farm and cattle ranch.

A U.S. Customs and Border Protection spokesman said the vertical metal tubes were sunk into the ground and filled with cement along what officials believed was the border. But an aerial survey in March revealed that the barrier protrudes into Mexico by 1 to 6 feet.

..More

it was probably those illegals they hired to build it

I'm hoping for a big fence to keep the blood sucking cANADIANS out of my country.

All they do is bitch like mULTI does.

Maybe them north of the border need to get a life and quit blaming the USA for all of their problems.

Do you know that it is cheaper to ship to Chile than it is to ship to cANADA. It seems that the cANUKS have a really big surcharge on anything from the USA.

Off hand ,I'd say that we are not liked by our northern 'buddys'.

:bc: :bc: :bc: :bc:

Fuc'm too...........

why do you think I am even in the same hemisphere as you ?

1000's of Km's across the pacific you dickhead

Oh Nic,I think you should realise.
America is hated all over the world.
There are many reasons for this,not all of then sensible.
Try to understand it's not the people that are hated,but the way your government and corporations behave abroad.

Multi that's a great story.
I sometimes think the American government is run like one of our local councils.
Never let you right hand know what your left hand is doing.

pffftttt, more water for us

http://www.canadians.org/media/water...6-June-07.html

Yeah you dumb canucks can let it run into the ocean instead of selling it for good U.S. dollars.


You're always outdoing yourselves in the stupidity department.

pfffttt...

Considering your dollar has hit an all time low, you can keep it.

You're perfectly happy tearing up thousands of acres of your wilderness to get at oil-sands for U.S. dollars.


But simply diverting some water south for them is "intolerable".


Like I said; stupidity.

Na, that is Alberta, rodeo country, fucktard. I live elsewhere moron. What Alberta does with it's resources ain't my fucking problem turtle boy.

fuck, are you that desperate to get attention in such a way? Truly pity you boy

[quote=malvachat;256973]Oh Nic,I think you should realise.
America is hated all over the world.
QUOTE]

You think I don't know this?

When in Canada and France we speak Spanish. It is wise to never speak english unless you lie about where you come from. It is not a happy thing for an american to travel. It is obvious that I am hated for the country that I live in.

Americans don't understand why we are so hated when we are the only ones on the planet that puts their money where their mouth is. In fact is seems to be expected for the US to always be the 'hated enforcer'.

I say fuck all of the world's problems, just as our problems are ignored by the rest of the world.

It is bad enough that my son has to die for your freedoms, but do you really expect me to sell my grandaughter into slavery in order to get your's out?

Don't be a dillweed.





:pflag: :pflag: :pflag: :pflag:

I'm not surprised at this.
It shows when the USA never listens to other options,just dives head first with no real thought.
The tactics used by some American company's abroad are disgraceful.Just to earn a buck.
That's just one reason,I'm sure lots of others are about to be posted.As I say it's the government and corporations that are hated not the people.
That's not to say,all yanks are good people,but I think most of them are,just a little misguided that's all.

how could he have done that if Mal lives in the UK?
if anyone has sold your grandaughter into slavery it's you current government

[quote=malvachat;257028
That's not to say,all yanks are good people,but I think most of them are,just a little misguided that's all.[/QUOTE]

I guess that is true about most people who try to do their best to survive.

Some even think that what they do will help others.

Just one more little thing..
 

The poor people in New Orleans were promised Millions if not Billions from other countrys and not one of them delivered a fucking thing other than promises.

Is there a problem if the USA does the same?

Why do U think that the people here in the US should take the crap that the rest of the world likes to dish out when we are treated like shit.

:pflag: :pflag: :pflag: inquiring minds need to know:pflag: :pflag: :pflag:

Oh well, this is like the third or fourth time I've asked you stupid morons specifically what the U.S. did to you to incite your hatred.



The answer is still simple and obvious, it did nothing; you just hear or read anti-U.S. propaganda and begin repeating it like the moronic idiots that you are.



You're just brainless parrots with no ability to think for yourselves so you just repeat whatever you see or hear.


But somehow you think you're the equal of intelligent, educated people.



How absurd!

Babbling fool... thank fuck not ALL American's are like you two. I can't speak for all not from the US but I have nothing against American people at all
and never have. How the country is run and how that effects us all is what interests me.

You poor little whingers are just about creating and promoting xenophobia, which as sad is it is is highly typical of conservative fear mongers like you.

so..pull your head in albed, because I can't even hate a prick like you let alone a whole country ;)

The nature of the internet dictates that everyone gets exposed to 95% US political news, nothing new in that .It has always been that way ( for the last 10 years anyway).

So there are plenty of people like me that have aquired an interest in US politics over time, while lots get beaten down by headkickers like you..

some dont.
:f:

Digesting your post.....

You hate the USA but like the American people?

It does not work like that.

Take a stand. Pick one. I can guarantee the folks in the USA are doing the same thing.